Yeah im pretty sure enemy will ignore that giant weakspot and focus on your upper plate or your turret face.
Do you hear yourself how much you sound funny? I guess not.
It will not, at best it will protect against 3BM60 at most.
- Strv 122B+ (Has side protection which can be useful against autocannons and CE)
- Strv 122B PLSS/122A (Has a higher frontal protection for some reason)
- Leopard 2a7v
- T-90M/T-80BVM (Small profile + armoured front)
- M1A2 (Ricocheting UFP, and good turret armour)
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Understandable but i would put 2A7 and STRV in the same rank cause they are kinda the same but fair
The Strv 122’s have a higher hull protection. It doesn’t matter too much but its still higher. The Leopard 2PSO should be higher than the T-90M/T-80BVM but for some reason Gaijin made its UFP non-ricocheting even though it has the same UFP has the 2a7v, Strv 122.
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Seems like your intelligence became insufficent so you decided to use insults.
Since thread is about Abrams there is no point of discussing worse tanks.
However if you wish to discuss how bad ‘‘ariete’’ is create a thread and keep continue in there.
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not everyone has enough time to play every tree. I face them quite often with the type 90 fuji sale going on
Which only gives you half of the perspective, without playing with them you will never get the full picture.
As i’ve said dont talk about things you dont experience from first hands, both Type-90’s and Type-10’s are amazing tanks despite their inaccuaricies.
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It deflects it into the turret ring on basically all models except the base m1 if memory serves correctly.
Then, outside of quite literally the bounce zone(which might also still kill you from a deflection into the turret ring) the entire hull is a free kill. Unless you were going fast enough to slide into cover once disabled.
It’s not a leo2 with spall liners or composite fronts. or a T series with ERA that eats the round so it can’t bounce.
This is pretty common for the rest of the tanks that don’t have this.
I don’t get why all you people get so hung up on only ever comparing Abrams to USSR tanks.
Which is the entire hull except the(but might include the, based on deflections into the turret ring) bounce zone lol.
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so you’re telling me facing them and shooting at them at various parts of their armor is not representative of anything? sure bro
Please explain to me how many times did you face Type-90’s in those vehicles and gained quite experience against them?
Also please explain to me how playing against a vehicle will give you full picture about its true capabilities, little note: you cant.
Only tank you have that can easily penetrate Type-90’s is the MBT2000 with DTC10-125 shell(btw considering you have only one match in that tank you most certainly dont have that shell), and even then Type-90 will still beat you with its mobility and reload time.
Its safe to say that you have no idea what you’re talking about.
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so we’re gonna ignore that a pack sale just happened and gave everyone and their mother a type 90?
good work pulling up stats
if anything it will give me most of the picture if we’re talking about armor
so weakspots dont exist now?
Nobody is ignoring anything but one thing for sure you have zero experience when it comes talking about Type-90’s.
Yeah and Type-90’s armor is immune to your poor Chally2 and to your stock MBT2000.
In that case armor doesnt matter on any tanks, safe to say we can put Strv-122 and Challenger 2 into same place due to both having weakspots right?
As you can see your logic is completely faulty.
Giant LFP that has two external fuel tanks behind it, just waiting to absorb shots. You still ignore the fact M1’s UFP will bounce shots.
Claiming that M1’s hull is a free kill literally means armor is paper thin and can’t stop common rounds thrown at it.
Admitting that you were wrong isn’t that hard buddy, at least for people that aren’t pretending they are know-it-alls.
You claiming that M1’s UFP bouncing shots is nothing more than a “cherrypicked spot” is really wild, considering most of the UFP will do just that. It’s weird that dude with 30k+ battles doesn’t know that, or just pretend he doesn’t.
I think you’re the devil’s advocate in this discussion lol.
I think it’s safe to say hitting M1 in the hull isn’t a free kill and that you need to aim in order to disable them. You also seem to not know what decent means, or just pretend you don’t know like many things above just to suit your agenda.
T-tanks and Leopards might have better armor, but you somehow forgot about all other tanks at that BR, just look at Arietes, Merkavas, Challengers, Leclercs, etc.
It’s safe to say M1s have decent armor, claiming otherwise is just arguing in bad faith.
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Large parts of UFP will bounce shots and won’t deflect it into the turret ring, you can test it yourself on that shooting range map.
No it isn’t.
Large external fuel tanks in the front can and will eat shots, so if you want to be safe you’ll always aim at the center of LFP.
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I have all the experience I need considering you just showed me i have 100 matches in 2 nations in that tier where i might face the type 90
chally
they are at the same place tho. look at their brs
Why would i shoot through fuel tanks when i can just aim to middle? Also fuel tanks doesnt stop incoming rounds hundred percent time which makes your claim pretty much irrevelant.
Claiming free kill? I see you’re still lying and putting my words into my mouth, i stated that its not hard to one shot Abrams through hull shots, gotta give it to you tho you’re quite good with playing words.
I dont see any bounce on that angle like you claimed, seems to me your claim is quite cherrypicked.
I suggest stop looking into mirror, lol.
Picture above proves otherwise.
As i’ve said before decent doesnt mean anything when your weakspots are as big as moon and can be easily exploited by enemy players, this is like saying ‘‘hey shoot me here so i can bounce of your shell and claim that my armor is decent’’.
I dont but this discussion is about Abrams and im tired that people like you who always loves to bring other tanks into Abrams discussion.
If you wish to discuss how bad other tanks are use proper threads for that.
All i see derailing the main object and purposely devil advocating from you, if you got nothing else dont derail this discussion further.
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saying that while fixating on the type 90 in the same thread is very ironic
First you only played with MBT2000 once which im pretty sure its stock and cant even be a threat to fully spaded premium Type-10 that has proper player behind it. Second your chally mk2 with L23A1 cant even do anything to Type-90 unless you target its weakspots which takes good amount of time, meanwhile Type-90 can basically lolpen your Chally Mk2.
Safe to say you’re empty talking.
You wanna play that game? Sure
Chally 1 is basically has no armor against Type-90 while it suffers engage with Type-90 effectively, meanwhile MBT-2000’s first shell also suffers from same issue while only second shell can lol pen Type-90 but still Type-90 will beat MBT due to its mobility, bein able to take better positions early and its fire rate.
You’re seriously empty talking and wasting my time.
You dont even get what im saying, no wonder why im wasting my time all this time…
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