so we’re gonna ignore that a pack sale just happened and gave everyone and their mother a type 90?
good work pulling up stats
if anything it will give me most of the picture if we’re talking about armor
so weakspots dont exist now?
Nobody is ignoring anything but one thing for sure you have zero experience when it comes talking about Type-90’s.
Yeah and Type-90’s armor is immune to your poor Chally2 and to your stock MBT2000.
In that case armor doesnt matter on any tanks, safe to say we can put Strv-122 and Challenger 2 into same place due to both having weakspots right?
As you can see your logic is completely faulty.
Giant LFP that has two external fuel tanks behind it, just waiting to absorb shots. You still ignore the fact M1’s UFP will bounce shots.
Claiming that M1’s hull is a free kill literally means armor is paper thin and can’t stop common rounds thrown at it.
Admitting that you were wrong isn’t that hard buddy, at least for people that aren’t pretending they are know-it-alls.
You claiming that M1’s UFP bouncing shots is nothing more than a “cherrypicked spot” is really wild, considering most of the UFP will do just that. It’s weird that dude with 30k+ battles doesn’t know that, or just pretend he doesn’t.
I think you’re the devil’s advocate in this discussion lol.
I think it’s safe to say hitting M1 in the hull isn’t a free kill and that you need to aim in order to disable them. You also seem to not know what decent means, or just pretend you don’t know like many things above just to suit your agenda.
T-tanks and Leopards might have better armor, but you somehow forgot about all other tanks at that BR, just look at Arietes, Merkavas, Challengers, Leclercs, etc.
It’s safe to say M1s have decent armor, claiming otherwise is just arguing in bad faith.
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Large parts of UFP will bounce shots and won’t deflect it into the turret ring, you can test it yourself on that shooting range map.
No it isn’t.
Large external fuel tanks in the front can and will eat shots, so if you want to be safe you’ll always aim at the center of LFP.
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I have all the experience I need considering you just showed me i have 100 matches in 2 nations in that tier where i might face the type 90
chally
they are at the same place tho. look at their brs
Why would i shoot through fuel tanks when i can just aim to middle? Also fuel tanks doesnt stop incoming rounds hundred percent time which makes your claim pretty much irrevelant.
Claiming free kill? I see you’re still lying and putting my words into my mouth, i stated that its not hard to one shot Abrams through hull shots, gotta give it to you tho you’re quite good with playing words.
I dont see any bounce on that angle like you claimed, seems to me your claim is quite cherrypicked.
I suggest stop looking into mirror, lol.
Picture above proves otherwise.
As i’ve said before decent doesnt mean anything when your weakspots are as big as moon and can be easily exploited by enemy players, this is like saying ‘‘hey shoot me here so i can bounce of your shell and claim that my armor is decent’’.
I dont but this discussion is about Abrams and im tired that people like you who always loves to bring other tanks into Abrams discussion.
If you wish to discuss how bad other tanks are use proper threads for that.
All i see derailing the main object and purposely devil advocating from you, if you got nothing else dont derail this discussion further.
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saying that while fixating on the type 90 in the same thread is very ironic
First you only played with MBT2000 once which im pretty sure its stock and cant even be a threat to fully spaded premium Type-10 that has proper player behind it. Second your chally mk2 with L23A1 cant even do anything to Type-90 unless you target its weakspots which takes good amount of time, meanwhile Type-90 can basically lolpen your Chally Mk2.
Safe to say you’re empty talking.
You wanna play that game? Sure
Chally 1 is basically has no armor against Type-90 while it suffers engage with Type-90 effectively, meanwhile MBT-2000’s first shell also suffers from same issue while only second shell can lol pen Type-90 but still Type-90 will beat MBT due to its mobility, bein able to take better positions early and its fire rate.
You’re seriously empty talking and wasting my time.
You dont even get what im saying, no wonder why im wasting my time all this time…
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You’re the one who went to that way and i simply answered your question, try not to embaress yourself even more.
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soooo you’re telling me that you’re supposed to aim at weakspots to kill people in top tier? colour me surprised! I had no idea!
all mbts have the same lfp and breach and barrel weakspot in top tier
doesnt help that the gameplay pretty much revolves around who shoots first
good thing the forums are open for everyone to see who said what first 🤣
I don’t need to test it, I lived it for like a year when I grinded US first lol I’m very familiar with its turret ring.
Fuel tanks can not will, can and I have yet to see a fuel tank eat the whole round. They just negate a lot of the spalling, no? It normally still leads to a killed driver, maybe an engine whatever. Which just disables you, and unless you were going fast enough to slide into cover/concealment, it just takes a follow up shot get you. Which is what I was saying. Surviving an initial shot with no ability to do anything besides wait for the follow up kill shot is still a free kill. I(and I assume most others) don’t literally mean a free instakill, it’s just going to lead to a free kill unless you lost your vantage point on the tank.
I play against Abrams top tier a lot more now with Japan and I have never seen this fuel tank eat a shot. I have seen it disappear and the round still go through and do damage, but never just eat a shot and stop penetrating like era does. It just reduces what my round does to them. Maybe I’m not paying enough attention though. Abrams tend to be my easiest kills, which I like when playing against them lol… not when I play as them.
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Meanwhile Type-90 doesnt even need to aim Chally’s weakspots due to it can basically lol pen it, meanwhile it can easily out flank,outspeed and kill mbt due to its superior mobility and fire rate.
Type-90 Fuji is one of the best if not the best premium tank you can buy at store, it basically bullies 10.3-11.3 lobbies easily and any semi decent Type-90 player will annihilate its enemies.
Saying its a meh tank due to its armor shows how clueless and arrogant person you are.
Is that the reason why SWE-GER-RU rules the top tier, huh i guess they’re not so different than Challenger 2’s due to having similiar weakspots.
Honestly your claims becoming more and more empty with each one, you’re doing nothing but embrassing yourself while wasting my time, try not to do that anymore.
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Yea as you can see you made a claim and i answered to it, you basically started this not me genius.
dont put words in my mouth
russia ruling top tier is funny
you’re the one that said he’s done with me long ago
I guess I brought up the chally and mbt2k and type 90 and spent an hour talking about them while pulling up stats too
What do you know about top tier? Remember you have no vehicles in there therefore you have no idea whats goin on in top tier environment.
I’ve should have but i thought you were actually curious about those vehicles and i tried to explain it to you but its obvious you’re just here to troll without having actual experience on them.
Im not the one who opened Japanese tank discussion, remember that genius, oh wait you’re only here because derailing this topic, and trolling.
From now on im not gonna continue, come back once you gain experience at top tier and vehicles we discussed.
You’re just empty talking and trolling.
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I know your memory is not that good but try to keep up
sorry but everyone and their mother knows the flaws of the russian tree’s mbts bruh
funny how you switch the positions
now its ME that’s derailing and trolling
funny how you accuse me of trolling while you’re the one bringing up stats bruh
Because you’ll need to aim to avoid those fuel tanks, which will then prove my point of you needing to aim in order to disable M1s consistently.
If something is considered free, it needs to work each and every time, which isn’t the case with those fuel tanks so yeah, you need to find a better argument.
My tests were performed when both tanks were flat and on the same level, which is the case with penetration analysis in the hangar.
Nice try though.
My pictures of UFP bouncing shots literally disproves that it’s free, because it isn’t and you still need to aim. Shall you try again, but with something more convincing now ?
This is still better than tanks I’ve mentioned above, those would be happy to have M1’s armor layout. M1s don’t have the worst armor at their BR by a long shot, which literally means it’s decent.
This is because you jumped on me because I said M1 has decent armor layout (which it does), and I just had to prove to you that my claims are true.
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So you should be familiar with the fact most of the “bouncable” area on the UFP will not bounce the round into the turret ring.
Fuel tanks in general are weird, sometimes they eat the round completely, sometimes they explode (internal ones) and sometimes they act like they’re not there.
I’ve been shot numerous times in my M1’s LFP and getting 0 damage from it outside of “This fire can’t be extinguished” message and nice fire animation on the ground. This happened on Leopard’s and Challenger’s side external fuel tanks as well.
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