You just proved that if you specifically aim Abrams cherrypicked hull section you can actually not penetrate but guess what, if you aim slightly to right side or center or even general direction you will penetrate that hull.
Best part is why would anyone aim to hull armor when you can just one shot/heavily disable Abrams through turret ring.
The only real thing in here you’re just desperately trying to prove your point by using cherrypicked scenario, as i’ve said before i expected better than you.
I only agree that the frontal fuel tanks sometimes stops rounds, but otherwise the Abrams is quite vulnerable. It may survive a penetration and it often does, but the shot is so debilitating that you are are dead with the next shot since most of the time both the turret ring and engine are gone. I do not experience these issues as much with other tanks.
Oh so you actually need to aim to consistently OHK/disable M1s, got it.
Try not aiming above the track for starters.
Leclerc produces quite different results when hit in the same places on the UFP. I’m like 10+ shots deep on Leclerc’s UFP and I still have to bounce one shot. It’s quite obvious M1 has an effective UFP that can bounce the best rounds in the game, which can’t be said for poor Leclerc.
So if shooting to turret ring is equal to aiming properly what takes to kill Leo2a7/Strv122, T80BVM/T90M? Surgery?
You still didnt got the point, nobody even cares about shooting those places when you can basically target their lower plate or turret ring, plus having mediocre hull armor never bothered me to begin with considering my most played tanks are Leclerc.
First photo doesnt show anything.
Second is basically the same photo that you tried to prove your claim and 3rd one also got cut when xray was about to show what’s going on.
Still people doesnt even bother to specifically aim to those place when they can target lower frontal plate and turret ring.
I couldnt care less about your opinion on Abrams hull armor cause like it or not it can be easily penetrated if you know what you’re doing, only new players will struggle due to choosing certain points to shoot.
Hull armor never bothered me as much as turret ring,mislocated pump,wrong protection on turret armor, wrong thickness on bulkheads and similiar problems did.
Does Sep variants deserve better hull armor? Yes ,is it the most important problem on Abrams family? Certainly not.
If you aim to the sides of LFP fuel tanks may get in your way. UFP is largely unsecure to aim at, while turret cheeks are a no-go zone as well.
You’re basically left to aim at the center of the LFP, turret ring and area around the gun. This vulnerable area isn’t much larger than the vulnerable area found on other tanks, so in general armor profile of M1s is quite decent.
I’m aware of its strengths/weaknesses on paper, I’m talking about post penetration though. Using the Type 90 and 2A7 made me realize why the Abrams feels vulnerable after getting shot. For all intents and purposes, it has similar weaknesses to other tanks on flat ground. I expect the tank to get penned in many situations, but I found that whenever I do get shot, I usually am unable to respond because the turret ring is almost always disabled AND I can’t run because the engine was shot out. The large turret ring is also an incredibly debilitating weakness and has always been a reliable shot to kill an Abrams. This is not to say the tank is bad, I was able to get a nuke with the SEPv2 by itself. But I maintain it feels oddly vulnerable compared to its NATO peers.
Going for a specific part of the tank (in this case turret ring) is quite literally aiming.
Why even care about armor in the first place when you can just aim at weakspots and ignore all those places that won’t give satisfactory results ?
My point is that you have to aim to disable M1s, just like you need to aim to disable Leopards/T-tanks, it’s the same deal and I just proved that to you.
First photo doesn’t show “anything” because nothing happened outside those small sabot things hitting the track and making it red.
Second photo quite literally shows “Ricochet” from shooting pretty high on the UFP and quite close to driver’s port as well.
Third photo is basically DM53 bouncing off of driver’s port and making turret ring and optics orange.
Four hits by DM53 to different parts of the UFP and M1 still hasn’t suffered a critical hit. That’s one weak UFP, right ?
First of all, none of this is my opinion, it’s facts that everyone can check for themselves. A big chunk of M1’s UFP will produce bounces. Do whatever you want with this information.
I was mostly focusing on the armor layout from the “outside”, but yeah post penetration damage is pretty big because it doesn’t have spall liners. Having no spall liners is probably the biggest con it has over western counterparts.
This is probably because most penetrating shots happened to go through your turret ring since it’s the most enticing place to aim, or your pump got hit by spall. I’ve heard from some people that the placement of Hydraulic pump isn’t correct, but don’t know how accurate that is. Having it’s location changed could be a pretty decent buff to the overall sturdiness of your turret ring, thus making turret ring + engine disabled combo much rarer.
a good player wouldn’t place himself in a position where he has to cover 10 angles in a 360 view. he’d place himself in a position where he has to cover less angles in a narrower field of view thats more manageable
Except you need to aim much more carefully against Leopards/Strv’s and T80Bvm/T90M while you can just easily target Abrams giant turret ring and lower frontal plate.
Even most anti us players accepts that Turret Ring is such a huge weakspot on Abrams.
You don’t get it , the guy only get himself into good position , like 2km sniping with enemy , even tho in my 2k hours of this game i have not seen a map that allow 2km sniping duel. You see him saying you will get into those position eventually mean you will eventually push up cluelessly or just run into open spaces and get shot. Everyone is clueless , except him, don’t bother with the guy who said “I will not bother with your opinion about M1” but still continue to yap about it.
please enlighten on how else would you hold an angle if you’re not camping?
as I literally just said, a good player wouldn’t let himself get into those vulnerable spots and would rather gtfo of there as fast as he can
nobody said you couldnt help your teammates to hold multiple angles
nobody said killing people or holding angles doesnt help your team
also I didnt admit to anything I just said a good player chooses better positions. you’re just interpreting that good position & holding angles= camping
bro thinks he did “gotcha” 💀💀💀
while you’re holding on one spot and campin there entire duration enemy team can cover multiple angles including your flanks and can easily destroy you.
I mean i know you’re clueless person i just didnt thought you were that kinda clueless.
Thanks for proving that.
No matter how good position is once you start camping there you will have no contribute to your team, you will only score for yourself, you dont even know the difference.
and how is that not my fault for allowing that to happen? +good on the enemy team for coordinating and playing like that.
you talk like you’re a sad wee little honda civic without any guns that can do nothing but watch the screen and die
sounds like someone doesnt know how the game works
killing people not only gets you score but bleeds tickets. it also HELPS your teammate by getting the enemies that would’ve otherwise killed your teammates killed
Thats rich considering you’re participating on certain threads while lacking vehicles or experience about them.
In order to bleed tickets to the end you have to basically kill entire enemy team multiple times by yourself, if you can do that be my guest Sherlock.
The real help will be playing together with your team, attacking objectives while coordinating your attacks against enemies, camping will only boost your personal stats.
How about stop camping on certain location and instead move around the map and try to clear zones? Guess its to hard for you to discover this secret.
ah classic ad hominem. please do tell me how that is related to the current discussion
you can do that but who is forcing you to?
your team could capture a point and you could hold the angles that lead into the point thus denying the enemy team from recapturing the point
ok mr loading screen tip
you can help your team by holding angles that lead out/towards a point thus denying the enemy team from capturing
or you can help your team by camping their spawn so they dont get reinforcements. its not pretty but its a strat
thanks for pointing out what you should do to counter the enemy
but not every tank is built for that purpose
Guess its too hard for you to discover this secret.
