Trying to stand in a KV-1S (75mm frontal, 4.0) for a KV-1 ZiS 5 (100mm frontal, 4.7) kinda undermines your entire point here.
An appopriately angled KV-1 ZiS 5 at anything but point blank range is an effectively impossible shot for a Chaffee or Puma. Hell, it’s effective even against the German 75mm under these conditions.
Don’t really agree with the rest of that guy’s points, but on that particular one, a well played 4.7 heavy is indeed effectively frontally immune to the 3.7 lights.
Okay, next time I fight a KV-1 in a Chaffe I gotchu
Okay. If you want to be stupid and attack heavy tanks frontally with these tanks be my guest
I didn’t see anyone specify the KV-1 it had to be…
You can still MG port it
Also @AverageWehraboo you can’t tell us it can’t be penned. Then when we prove you wrong add in other things like “do it while in combat.” It still can be penned and killed in combat and while it’s trying to kill you. You just have to be smart about it. But like I said, next time I fight a KV-1 in a Chaffee I’ll tell you how it went :)
He specifically mentioned 4.7 heavy tanks in the message he was replying to. The ZiS 5 is the only 4.7 KV-1 in game, and also the most heavily armored variant (Well, tied with the KV-1E/B).
You need to hit the MG directly to go through, which is only a handful of pixels at medium range. Anywhere else on the gunshield will either bounce, or fuse before it hits actual armor.
You can also try for a similarly tiny spot around the MG port that isn’t covered by applique armor, but that’s also only a handful of pixels wide.
Either shot would be hard enough to make under ideal circumstances, give your target range, angle, and/or any amount of movement (As heavy tank players should always be doing if being aimed at), and it’s so inconsisent it’s hardly worth considering. I would just take a track if I can and run away in such circumstances, not take the gamble.
Drivers port can still be penned, as well as a small section on the hull when angled.
Again the whole point was light tanks attacking heavies frontally.
What other KV-1 sits at 4.7?
Of course you can kill a crippled KV-1 if you have an eternity to aim. In a real fight where it’s you vs a 4.7 heavy you have to aim for a tiny weakspot and account for volumetric ans desync while the 4.7 can aim anywhere. Your aiming time ~ 2s, their aiming time ~ 0.5s.
The message I responded to just said “KV-1 and T14”
Either way it can still do the same things I stated.
Actually if you hit it directly it’s less likely to go through. Thanks to volumetric MG’s like to eat rounds. It can possibly go through still, but it’s more likely if you hit from the side, like if it was angling :)
But I agree with just not engaging them like you said. It’s best to just run away or flank them after taking track. I. Just saying it can be done frontally
Oh I forgot about the mail slot. Your right that can be penned too. But I’d rather take the MG port, it’s less finicky
And you can do that with the M24 and Puma. It’s just not advisable.
I didn’t see a stated BR and when the other person posted the KV-1S I figured it didn’t matter. But again you can pen the LFP of ZIS-5 as well as MG port.
You can say this about any tank in any situation.
I mean technically that is a “real” fight. If you are trying to kill someone then and they try to defend themselves, even if they’re tracked, I called that a “fight”
It’s not that hard to aim fast. I promise you. It doesn’t take 2 sec to aim. It takes maybe 1 at most. And why would you even attack someone you know, knows where you are?? Again that sounds stupid…
Did you read the whole thread?
With a Puma or M24?
You missed the whole point.
I did.
If you can’t pen it though, why keep trying… And if you know this and still keep trying to hit it from the front, then the issue isn’t the vehicles BR.
Someone complained the M18 couldn’t pen 6.7s frontally so I said that 3.7 lights can’t front pen heavies in an uptier as well.
Still a skill issue, need to go around and coordinate to lure them into a better situation.
Irrelevant. Not the point of this thread.
That was kinda the point.
Just because you can’t front pen the most heavily armored tanks when fully uptiered doesn’t mean the tank should be lower.
I disagree, as it is… Just because you can’t make a pen doesn’t mean you can’t be useful in that BR… You just have to acknowledge you can’t pen it, and not go front on with something that you cannot affect, unless you are using it to distract, but that’s a play to make happen, and not for the faint of heart.
Indeed it was the point, but here they are saying that saying it is irrelevant.
Read the whole thread it wasn’t me who said the lights are bad in an uptier. I made an example with the M24 and Puma that shows it’s not only the M18 that has trouble front penning heavies.
And if you are trying to pen them from the front, then you’re doing that wrong…
Yes I have, and this whole argument is off topic for OP…
Your right about the LFP on the KV-1 ZIS-5. But you can still pen MG port as well as Driver slot and turret cheeks.
The whole point of penning these heavies from the font is stupid… Why would you attack a heavy from the front with a light tank? Especially if you think you can’t pen them and they know where you’re at???
The point of this thread is about the M18 suffering, not the Puma or M24 :)
Anyways, looking back on this thread I’ve looked at it from new perspectives that I like more and seem less agitating to others. I agree with you when you say that puma and M24 suffer in up tiers, but in the context that most light tanks and even most tanks in general suffer in up tiers. And most of the time it’s due to user error such as stupidity or being greedy. I only wanted to point out that both the KV-1 and T14 could be penned by both of those vehicles you mentioned (I honestly did check the Churchill bc it’s so slow that it never gets to the battle in time). I hope we can agree on more things in the future and any grudges won’t carry over to any future topics :)
Also, something REALLY off topic, how have you not gotten banned for your name??
Premiums don’t count, there’s also a reason you didn’t show your what… 17 games in the M24.
The protection analysis is literally the metrics used in which you fire at tanks in game
