Nothing about ground? Not my concern then.
I think there needs to be another round of addressing the BR changes (or lack thereof)
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Why has the SKR-7 still not been addressed? It has been a problem for years at this point. Yes, I know the ready ammo and resupply was nerfed but that has been largely made up for by the recent HE changes which have benefited the SKR-7 more than any other. The fact that this thing can regularly face RESERVE tier ships is something else.
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VEAK proxy shell removal, why exactly was this done? I have heard it suggested that the VEAK’s use of a proxy shell is ahistorical, but why was literally nothing said about it?
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The Sabers and MiG-15s/17s got moved down, but what about all the other first-generation jets of other countries? And why has there been no consideration to how this is going to affect jets like the Me 262 which are already struggling?
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Defyn’s response to the updated changes:
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Ah, someone that knows what they are talking about.
Google “frustration” in regards to FTP games, you will see that frustration is a key ingredient to a FTP game.
These things and aspects that you think are incompetent are not incompetency but by design.
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Excuse me what the actual fuck are you talking about Gaijin? We didn’t say only 9.3 supersonic jets should be moved to higher BR. Community has been asking for years that it should literally move EVERYTHINGS above 9.3 BR of aircraft except old 9.7BR meta jets, including decompression.
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Things never change sigh…People said 1 year ago, that these BR changes are horrible, the year before that, before that, before that, and back when it was introduced. Some were bad to be fair, but all of em good damn.
What are you even saying?
Yeah
Then, why not let F-2 Sabre and CL-13A face Me 262 A or Meteor Mk.3 again?
Isn’t it fair because it happend in 2014? Can’t wait to see my full CL squads gets full downtier games and wipe enemy team in few mins just like that.
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Prove it’s not.
We have proof that it is being taken seriously: The Roadmap.
Coming from someone who has experience flying both planes: The Me-262 cannot kill a Mig-15 unless that Mig is afk or insanely stupid.
@AlvisWisla These BR changes. They are compressing one BR that was perfectly fine before, instead of doing decompression by moving the max BR up. Recently it seems like Gaijin has more focus put into new content, rather than changing existing content, and improving certain aspects of the game.
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You have more say than i do in this case then.
“They are compressing one BR while decompressing another BR that was perfectly fine before.”*
Fixed it for you.
Decompression is the most labor intensive work period purely with how much math is required.
Wait for the June update, prep your articulate civil feedback for the next feedback form.
I play Genshin Impact which is F2P but, never had any real frustration except grinding.
They are far better than Gaijin and other developpers at squeezing money out of players and getting them to try different character combinations or character itself(vehicles in the War Thunder).
We also have proof that they aren’t, from the update to the proposed changes, in Gaijin’s own words:
We’ve seen proposals to instead of reduce the Battle Rating of the MiG-15 and F-86, to increase the Battle Rating of F-104 and similar aircraft instead. We’ve decided not to do this because it will not only affect the effectiveness of the MiG-15 and F-86, but will also worsen the competitiveness of the F-104 and other similar aircraft in other nations.
This is them literally choosing compression of an entirely new BR bracket over decompression of 8.3/8.7.
Also, it would not be hard to do a quick decompression of top tier air. If they just focused on the most egregious portions, that’s 9.3 to 12.7, and you could probably get there with just another 1.0 BR. If I were in a position to do so, I could bang out a quick proposal in a few minutes, gather a bit of feedback for a couple days to refine it, and publish it with the previso that it’s a first draft and additional balance changes would be forthcoming if there were any issues that slipped through.
This is not too much to ask from them.
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That’s not proof, that’s you pushing conjecture.
Proof is T-72B3 being 11.3 instead of 10.3.
Proof is F-4E being 11.0 instead of 10.3.
Proof is separating air and ground battle BRs.
Top air is already decompressed, there’s at most 0.3 more they can do to alleviate 11.3 a little.
The largest compression is 9.3, which remains true.
And all of these are less compressed than their competitor in the battlerating-like department: World of X.
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They’re going through with the BR changes they have posted.
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Enough for you, not for anybody with any sense.
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It doesn’t.
You are right that the 11.3BR is compressed, but that is a problem with the other BRs as well.
On 11.3BR, F-4J(UK) shouldn’t have the same BR as FG.1 and FGR.2, but its BR cannot be lowered because F-4E that doesn’t have PD radar sitting on there. Same goes with F-4J and F-4S.
On 11.0BR, F-4EJ shouldn’t have the same BR as F-4EJ because EJ doesn’t have AIM-7E-2 but, can’t be lowered to 10.7BR as well.
On 10.7BR, F-104G(Italy) shouldn’t have the same BR as F-104G(Germany) because Italian one doesn’t have x4 AIM-9J loadouts but, can’t be lowered to 10.3BR if you compare it against F-104J and F-104G(ROCAF). Same goes with F-5E because it has same BR with F-5A(ROCAF) which has AIM-9P.
10.3BR is fine because only issue is MiG-21SMT/MF which is just undertiered. IMO the cap on the flareless jet BR should be 10.3 BR but that is off topic.
On 10.0BR, Mirage IIIC/IIICJ shouldn’t have same BR with Mirage 5F/Nesher because Mirage III has better performance and has Matra R530 that is really decent missiles for killing CM less jets like F-4C and early F-104s but, they can’t go higher BR because of Mirage IIIE.
I don’t think 9.7-8.3 needs any explanation because you know how compression on there really bad rn.
On 8.0BR, Meteor Mk.4 G.41G shouldn’t have same BR with Meteor Mk.8 because Mk.8 has better performance but, G.41G can’t move down if you compare it against G.41F that doesn’t have cut wings.
BRs below 7.7 should be fine most of the time. Only need thing is some undertiered or overtiered jets should gets correct BR such as La-200 and Meteor Mk.3.
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So because not every BR is as compressed as 9.3 currently is, that’s Gaijin taking the decompression issue seriously? That’s a low bar, and one they aren’t even meeting because they’re actively attempting to compress 8.0-7.0 the same way 9.3-8.3 currently is.
This is an entirely seperate issue, one that should have been dealt with long ago. After this mess, I have doubts they’re going to do it properly too. Can’t wait for those problematic CAS planes like the AMX to go up a whopping 0.3 BR in ground, that’ll solve the issue.
11.7-12.7 is somewhat decompressed, but only as a result of there being very few 11.7s (and those few being very unpopular). Sure is a lot of fun facing 4th gens with IRCCM missiles in my hardwing Phantom with 60 countermeasures!
Then you have the 12.0 F-16s and MiG-29s just victimizing the old 11.0s, like the F-4Es, MiG-21 Bises, etc.
Those 11.0s in turn get to deck on the various flareless planes at 10.0-10.3.
Said flareless (But with high G missiles) 10.3s then push down the F-104s and MiG-19s, and are you seeing the pattern yet?
Wow, what a high standard we set for Gaijin here. Maybe we can strive for something above rock bottom?
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EJ doesn’t matter cause it’s balanced when 11.3 would be decompressed by 0.3.
Mig-21SMT/MF is as under-BR’d as Mirage 3E. They’re not really under-BR’d, they’re more involved with the 9.3 compression than anything else.
10.0 is part of the 9.3 compression.
lol It’s the same issue. Ground vehicles have been preventing air decompression, so this allows Gaijin to work on ground and air separately rather than trying to do both at the same time.
AMX is moving down to 10.3 for ground, and staying 10.7 for air…