That footage showing the use of stealth belts also COUNTERED: F86 F2
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I don’t think we need to argue over whether something should have tracers or not based on realism arguments when gaijin themselves are not consistent with realism arguments. This thread isn’t about the F-86F-2 specifically though.
agreed, those gun kills look nice though gotta admit
The problem is that if the smoke trail is properly modeled again, it will be an omega buff, not a nerf.
And the AP-I round where the smoke trail was existed in the game until before supersonics were implemented.
nice F-86D saber dog
Didn’t know D and K model was implemented in pre supersonics.
the f86a went supersonic whats you point (also the D and K aren’t designed to be supersonic fighters the a went supersonic in a dive by accident) in not gonna argue about this anymore
You don’t understand my point.
My point is that the game was pre-supersonic, i.e. before the F-100D/MiG-19PT/Javelin Mk.9 was implemented in the game.(also no A2A missiles)
BTW, The kill log literally says F-86F-2 lmfao
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LOL 8.7 A-4H???
A-4H was fine at 8.3 since when it comes because it is just A-4E with worse engine and worse loadouts.
It has the same engine as the A-4E premium and it’s much lighter.
It is literally part of the Project Gun-Val video I posted.
What you see in the video is not a tracer, just a beeswaxed round putting out many smoke trails.
Come back here if you read COMBAT SUITABILITY TEST OF F-86F-2 AIRCRAFT WITH T-160 GUNS.
Premium one has different engine from American one?
Didn’t even know that.
At least the premium if I don’t remember completely wrong.
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Which helps in straight line acceleration, but not in maneuverability.
F-86F-25’s lack of slats isn’t really an issue because it has an all flying tail which should increase agility at the high range of speeds and its engine ensures it is not difficult to stay within this speed bracket. The F-86A-5 has slats but no all flying tail. It ends up being that both have speed ranges they do better in but the F-86A-5 tends to get slow and cant regain energy while the F-86F-25’s accel advantage makes it far more competitive.
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Potentially yeah.
I think that’d matter more for simulator than air RB where it’s usually all or nothing for most players.
I’d have to consider max G loads and speed bleed.
Either way the initial testing indicates they could all be the same BR; which might change as time goes on.
yeah nah I’ve played this bracket a lot and played these jets specifically as well, the F25 is just better than the A5.
in my experience, the a is better due to the guns being more reliable and accurate along with more ammo but that’s just my opinion
??? F-25 has the exact same guns as A-5. You are thinking of F-86F-2. F-86F-2 is also just plainout strictly better than F-86A-5 anyway as it is also a F-86F-25 and that makes it better even if you think the guns are harder to use.
Sorry, and thanks for correcting my misleaded failure.
I am a fan but also not a big fan of the sabre series so I don’t have an F-86A-5 of mine… (recently bought some of the F-86F-30 at the last discounts.)
So I can only imagine their difference indirectly :(
with experience which I got from fighting against them, and that screenshot which Alvis provided.
Maybe I mistook the info and concluded wrong.
And this sounds convincing :/ a lot.
I see Those meteors with clipped, non-round shaped wings (Mk.4 G.41G and Mk.8 G.41K) share the same 8.0BR but Mk.8 has stronger thrust with Derwent 8.
For meteors, It seems Gaijin don’t care about the thrust difference between them.
And back to CL-13 Mk.4 and F-86A/F.
We can consider F-86A-5 and CL-13 Mk.4(F-86E) the same plane. right?
same engine with the same thrust. similar agility caused by two different upgrades.
and compared to those earlier F-86s. F-86F has an advantage on the thrust side thanks to an upgraded new engine. (so we can’t consider F-86A and F-86F the same due to thrust differences)
Then, Gaijin decided to make the F-86A-5 and F-86F-25’s BR differently because of engine thrust.
in the meantime, they kept CL-13 Mk.4’s BR the same as F-86F-25 does because they don’t give a damn about engine thrust. (or they might just overrated all-flying tail)
Seems like quite another minor nation hating and double standards as always.
(We also can talk about CL-13 Mk.6 and F-86F-40 sharing the same BR because of the same two AIM-9B as an example while the thrust difference seems quite big)
In conclusion
- Nearly every sabre and MiG-15 series is underrated by Gaijin, and it has a ridiculous buff.
- Still, ‘on Sabre side only’ CL-13 Mk.4 got overrated a bit compared to its counterparts.
- Because Gaijin loves to hate and punish minor nation players. maybe.
Right?
Lastly.
Sorry about the derailment caused by gripens. I was trying to state it just for another example of Gaijin’s double standard so I didn’t think It was going to cause derailment:'|
anyway. There’s no need to worry about it. I had a PM about that with him, so no need to discuss Gripen in the F-86 topic here again.
in that regard yes
right
Right, presumably.
its because gaijin doesnt care about context or nuance when discussing plane’s stats in their metrics. They see the CL13 Mk4 doing better than the equivalent jet (F-86A-5) and decide its because the CL13 Mk4 is a better jet and thus deserves a higher BR, and not because the reality in which they are the same jet but italians are just better players on average than americans… (referring to the nations in game)
Shenyang F-5 also did not see a downtier from 9.3 despite literally being the 8.7 Lim-5P already at 8.7 just with 2 AIM-9Bs.
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