That image doesn’t show arcade, realistic, or sim. Nor the date.
For example, March 2019:
Battle mode, BR, time stamp [video upload date].
Edit: September, 2021. The failed attempt to move it from 8.7.
Simulation BRs aren’t listed in changes, and CL13 Mk.4 never shows up in the recorded tables, just forum posts.
Its current simulation BR is 9.0:
Sad noise from JAS39C(SAAF) because they failed to grab AIM-120A while Hungarian/Swedish counterparts succeeded in grabbing in a historical way.
(IRL, all of the missiles which can mounted on ingame JAS39C SAAF are nothing but unhistorical placeholders bc historical IRIS-T are way too advanced to be introduced. then why not?)
anyway, back to the original Sabre topic.
Still, CL-13 Mk.4 has a weaker engine which came from the F-86A-5 but retains the same BR as the F-86F-25. right?
From what I’ve seen the F-86A-5, Mk4, and F-25 might be too similar to warrant separate BRs entirely, which makes the A-5 generally 0.3 under-BR’d compared to everything else.
JAS-39C is already proven to use AIM-9Ms via photographic evidence as well as SAAB’s own words.
AIM-9Ms are as historical as IRIS-T, AIM-9Ms are a historical loadout.
Please stop the posts calling historical loadouts unhistorical when your posts should say instead “This historical loadout is one I disagree with personally and would prefer this aircraft to be 14.7+ in BR using IRIS-T.”
Be HONEST with the facts, and your argument sounds better.
No one, I repeat no one cares if you prefer higher BRs with more advanced weapons, people only care if your post is incorrect about the vehicle’s available weapon options.
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It is from Version 1.95 patch notes
You can assume when the screenshot was taken from the game version in the upper right corner of the hangar screen.
Fair enough. I shall amend the initial post.
Well, despite that all F-86 variants are underrated in BR and
Current CL-13 Mk.4 still seems more powerful than my vampire or meteor overall.
So, CL-13 Mk.4 on 8.0 (tied up with F-86A) or 8.3 (tied up with F-86F-25) might not be different for me. bc I am not a big fan of Sabre and there wasn’t much of Mk.4 which I saw when I flew with my vampire last time.
What I meant in that reply was,
so
This is my statement about the CL-13 Mk.4 problem for now.
I think we should find a different topic or PM to discuss about JAS-39C more.
because this topic is for the BR compression problem which is caused by Sabre/MiG bias.
You claim that ‘Gaijin don’t let us LARP air forces in real life, so using weaponry which wasn’t bought by airforce themselves but approved by the plane manufacturer is fine’ And that is YOUR ‘historical loadout.’ right?
Then, When every missile implemented on SAAF JAS39C in this game is provided by SAAB brochures but not from SAAF itself. (SAAF only used IRIS-T in their Gripen IRL)
So… is there a meaning to not giving AIM-120A on JAS39C SAAF and limited to R-darter only?
I think Gaijin usually takes double standards about weaponry. usually between famous major nations and unpopular minor nations.
Sounds strange. right?
That is one of the reasons why MY ‘historical loadout’ is tied to their air force arsenal.
I believe Gaijin don’t give a damn about loadout problems.
If Gaijin really thinks and believes manufacturer’s brochures are the main reason for giving missiles or not. then there is no reason not to give AIM-120A/B into SAAF JAS39C. “SAAB Approved. then why not?”
TMI) Nearly all Hawker Hunters should’ve received their drop tank but currently, Drop tanks for Hawker Hunters are exclusive to Swiss(Germany) and the Netherlands(France) one. sadly.
Yes. I don’t remember how many months have passed since the last time we discussed about gripens weaponry. But I think we discussed this before.
for me, Both ways are fine.
As long as I get the IRIS-T version of Gripen C then it is fine to me.
But, IF Gaijin implements IRIS-T into German exclusive only missiles and doesn’t give any to SAAF Gripen. I might be sad.
Just like BR difference between CL-13 Mk.4 and F-86A-5 does.
I hope the IRIS-T and similar advanced IR missile never comes to Warthunder.
For the love of God, never add them. I don’t give a single care about realism when we reach the point where getting a lock is a guaranteed kill.
We don’t need them. Gameplay NEED to be prioritized over realism, especially in a PVP game. If realism is at the cost of fun, it’s not worth it. It will never be worth it.
Current IRCCM missiles are fine. Current placeholder loadouts are fine. The Aim120 is already bad enough for the current game with how it works, and they had to nerf the Fox 3 seekers to the ground to make the game even remotely playable. And “remotely playable” is a stretch considering the current sad state of Air RB.
Aim9X, MICA-IR, ASRAAM, R74, IRIS-T would outright kill the game. There’s no if or but, they’re way too dangerous.
Eh
I understand your worry about balancing and gameplay mechanisms.
I personally want to see ASSRAM and another advanced missile but well.
You sound right. take my heart stamp first.
If I see my IRIS-T but the game ceases the service because of the impact created by IRIS-T, then it becomes meaningless, right?
Then… erm…
I heard that Kisley’s Wargaming introduced Cold War-era vehicles into the console version of World of Tanks,
but at the same time, they physically separated Cold War vehicles from older [Old World of Tanks vehicles] in a different game mode.
So…
I think adding that advanced weaponry as exclusively available only for another game mode like [Helicopter PVE] also can be fine maybe?
if Gaijin can’t balance them properly and Will kill the game eventually.
Well, According to the Sabre/MiG problem and all of those tons of shitstorms all over the game.
Gaijin’s balance team can balance nothing I guess.
Edit for addition) in the current meta of War Thunder, I will be very fine if SAAF Gripen gets AIM-120 too due to Gaijin’s theory about SAAF Gripen. pointing IRIS-T was focused more on [every missile added to SAAF Gripen in this game wasn’t operated by SAAF at all] than [give IRIS-T! now!]
Well, IMO, if Gaijin decided to add IRIS-T in future. then SAAF Gripen also should have one of those.
IF Gaijin decided to not add IRIS-T due to a balancing issue and nobody has it. then I can admit.
but, If Gaijin Decides to add IRIS-T but give them to Germany/Sweden only might be sad and mad.
With 100% pure joke with no serious.
if, Every 10 nations have one of Sabre or MiG
then the problem might be sli-iiightly better than the current status.
Of course, Without a joke… Those Sabre problems still need to be dealt with and their BR change should be reverted.
It is just F-86E which is same as CL-13 Mk.4 we currently have in the game.
As one of Gen’1 jet main, I would like to see British Sabre but, should be event vehicles or something else.
Yup. I think it is ridiculous that the British failed to get their very own F-86E
while Italian CL-13 Mk.4 is basically came from Britain. (Just like Italian F-84G which came from the USA)
Yep I agree with this. In a pve game, with missions more like Ace combat format, I wouldn’t disagree about using more advanced missiles as long as it still provide a decent challenge.
If they could make PVE styled missions with realistic mechanics, for sure I want my thrust-vectoring, data-linked, dual channel, LOAL, infrared imaging MICA-IR. That missile is a monster. In term of WT mechanic, that would be a R73 with the range of a R27ET you have almost no chance to decoy. And it can use friendly aircraft datalink to launch at a target behind the plane with LOAL.
Note that ASRAAM and Aim9X can do the same thing. ASRAAM can launch at a 90° angle just with HMD. I’m less sure about the IRIS-T capabilities.
Just… not in pvp. It would be horrible to fight against. And I’m not even mentioning the nightmare of the BR system. Try fighting this with even the current top tier.
F_86F-25 has a massive thrust advantage relative and has always been considered to be far better than A5 when they had similar BRs.
slats matter a lot.
this is true not because slats dont matter, but because the F-86A-5 uses wing slats to improve agility at all speeds and the CL13 Mk4 improves agility using an “all flying tail” something the F-86A-5 lacks. They end up about the same because of these two different upgrades.
They don’t pamper minor nation players but they do pamper major nation players.
F-86F-25 is a lot better than F-86A-5 or CL13 Mk4.
Can you guys take your topic about the gripen elsewhere. This thread is about the 8.0-8.7 bracket in air RB.
F86 F-2 needs a buff for its cannon accuracy
As far as I know, there are several things historically wrong with the F2 guns.
It should have less drags but, shouldn’t have tracers.
actually it historically had tracers, but the accuracy on them compared to say the F-100D (that has a newer model of the same cannons) is much more accurate
It wasn’t?
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/WAK96Zu6Rot6
I mean tracers are still exists but, It was only after the T-160 was renamed the M39 that it was produced.
Since T-160 was prototype of M39, in light of the example of NR-30(e) and the late models in the game, it should not have tracers.
the swapped it to the M39 in the field during Korea, the F-2 saw actual combat in Korea as well
Did you even read bug reports?
The F-2 Sabre was never had tracers until it was demilitarized.
