From what I recall, it can.
Edit: I had to look it back up because I couldn’t recall.
It in fact CAN carry R-27ETs. Again. All R-27 variants.
According to what
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I forgot there was a big thread about this already lol.
The technical manual confirms it, but clicking it link just went to a restricted page.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/ZVQw6XfaEFiE
Also seems they accepted it… but they just said “hey, yeah… no… we’re gonna keep it ahistorical!”
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The f-8 at 10.3 lacks the Radar missiles which is honestly what really brings the 10.7 one together. The f15a is pretty good but I really like the r-27ers on a better dogfighting platform. The British have a phantom at 12.0 its more of side grade but once again my point being there isnt really anything but the phantom at 12.0 to begin with.
The JH-7 is insane at 11.3 as its a decent dogfighter and has irccm missiles, the j7-e is just the j7d on crack so both are a bit better than phantom at the br since dogfighting still exist and is common.
But my overall point is these BR’s feel cherry picked as most of them either the US isnt top of the food chain or it just happens to be the only airframes at the BR to begin with.
I’d say at 12.0 with dogfighting still being pretty prevalent having slightly worse BVR and SARH isnt as impactful as the Tornados being unable to dogfight. The difference being the F-4 can still absolutely put up a fight against the tornado in longer distance while the Tornado has no ability to engage a phantom once the merge hits.
You’d be surprised by how bad the average american main is in the F-4S… Ive beaten them a few times in the GR4
it was the premiere plane for grinding America for a while so a lot of new players on it.
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Flare pods? Plus it’s just 27R/ER, no 27T/ETs or P/EPs.
Things that it should actually get is like, Kh-35… because that’d be funny.
But anyways, that’s why we need an Su-25TM in the TT, so it can get all this stuff at a higher br so Su-39 (since it’s a premium so gaijin will want it to be more effective anyways) can stay at a lower br.
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The Su-39 is the Su-25TM…
They’re literally the same, different designation.
And those sources stated R-27 plural and named no exceptions to what it would carry.
Like it makes no sense to me how you think it can’t carry an ET, the R-77 rides on the same pylon as the R-73, they’re interchangeable. In fact, an R-27ER was spotted on the same pylon.
Do you need any more evidence? Like if I had an Su-39 irl and an R-27ET, then we could really try it! But I’m not a millionaire… so…
It can also carry KH-31P and KH-58E anti radiation missiles apparently.
Personally I would love to see this get added:
MSP-410 “Omul” ECM Pods
While we are talking about the Su-39, why is it limited to 192 flares & chaff if I recall correctly?
Irl it’s 256, 128 on each side.
The Su-39 is the Su-25TM…
Yes, I know… I’m simply calling for a copy paste of Su-39 into the TT, maybe with a different camo, but with the weapons 39 lacks. Keeps Su-39 at a lower br ala AV-8B (N/A) while Su-25TM can come in the Russian equal to AV-8+.
And those sources stated R-27 plural and named no exceptions to what it would carry
Dunno what sources you’re talking about but the brochure is quite specific on what R-27s it can use, so unless you have something else like a brochure mentioning anything else, I’d say I have enough evidence.
It can also carry KH-31P and KH-58E anti radiation missiles apparently.
Yup, 2 Kh-31P or 2 Kh-58E/U. The former was available on Su-25T as well.
MSP-410 “Omul” ECM Pods
I would also like to see ECM pods be implemented, as just parts of the model or as functional equipment, although the latter will likely be a while before we see it happen. Su-25SM3 can also carry MSP-410.
why is it limited to 192 flares & chaff if I recall correctly? Irl it’s 256, 128 on each side.
On Su-25T/39, there is 4 x 32 round dispensers around the IRCM, and another 2 at the end of the tail above the drag chute, totaling to 192.
While on standard Su-25/25K/BM/SM3 have 4 x 32 round dispensers above the engines and another 4 above the drag chute, totaling to 256.
Where are your sources bro?
Also, no, there is absolutely no reason to add a tech tree one with the “missing weapons” it should be added to the aircraft that those of us whom paid for should get what we paid for.
Where are your sources bro?
My source is what Kizvy kindly posted below, Bro.
there is absolutely no reason to add a tech tree one
It’s hard for Su-39 to GET the missing equipment it lacks when the devs have no reason to give it them, or have flat out denied the chance of something being added.
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Dunno what sources you’re talking about but the brochure is quite specific on what R-27s it can use,
Also, on this point… Sukhoi is quite specific when saying R-27R.
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Well that aint happening anytime soon. So if you give it R-27ERs it would move up to 12.7 and you can enjoy fighting the 13.7 powerhouses in it.
If it gets R-77 it goes to 13.0, simple as that.
Usually you and I agree on a lot, but here I kinda disagree.
Maybe could be a 12.3, but I think 12.0 is more accurate, for the semi crap MiG-29 radar, and all the other cons, including the fact you have to drop 16x vikhirs to carry 2x R-27s or drop your R-73s to carry R-77s means your limiting yourself even more in regards to offensive capabilities, for a higher chance to score a kill.
Keep in mind, it doesn’t have an HMD.
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Well I find it odd both those other sources listed higher cm amounts as well as the same armaments.
Maybe something changed later in development? But again, if you can mount an R-73 on several different pylons, and mount an R-27 on those pylons, the only reason not to give it R-27ETs or the like is purely for balance.
I still think they should move it to 12.0 and give it R-27(Not ERs) and R-77s at the very least. Even if you still get a limited quantity, which is even stranger that the Su-39 is limited to R-60Ms and 2x R-73s as is.
Like if it had 4x R-73s out the gate, it wouldn’t have been that bad, but I really cannot see any reasonable thought process to not give it R-27s.
Then the other point is why bring a radar? It’s only use is searching for targets…
The sea harrier is 13.0, so the Su-39 with R-77 would absolutely be 13.0.
For with normal R-27R I think 12.0-12.3 would be fine but R-27ER should stay 12.7 minimum in general.
But that sea harrier also gets Aim-9Ms, flys faster less drag from its radar, has more cms, and Aim-120s are better than the R-77.
Could the sea harrier become a 12.7? Sure.
Oh and I meant 12.3 for ARB for and 12.0 for ASB, for the Su-39 at worst 12.3 for that too.
But given the lack of HMD and a MiG-29 (9-13) radar for use of a R-77 will limit its effectiveness, but it would all be how it’s added.
Or, other option, they add all variants of the R-27s, and it can carry 4, and or can also carry 4x R-73s.
As it stands now the Su-39 is kinda crap as is. It definitely needs a buff.