The best thing you can still do is to set the reward for bombing the airfields to zero to get rid of the zombers. This will make it possible to reverse the nerfs to everyone else’s rewards.
Simple and effective.
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i think even something simple such as just removing or increasing the cap will just make it so much better for very little effort
Yeah, need to be careful though.
Currently it takes 2x air kills to reach 100% reward. Increasing the cap might just end up with Gaijin making it so that it actually takes 3x air kills to reach 100% reward, without increasing the SL/RP proportionally. Which would suck.
So whatever change is made needs to be done right. But if the effort needed to reach max reward was increased and the reward was increased proportionally to match, then yeah, that would be enough
This would be the ultimate unlimited reward glitch for Zombers…
I bet, all AF´s would be gone within the first 30 minutes of a match.
then what if you just have the cap for airfield/base damage
I have two posts for possible aids.
These won’t help you with RP rewards. Thees also won’t give you MORE rewards assuming perfect play and never dying - so Zombing, fixing matches, lobby shopping for sealclubbing aren’t going to get better rewards.
However, these should hopefully make flying Korean war and early WW2 jets actually affordable (currently, a Horton costs 17.4k to spawn, makes 1430/min so 0.92x15x1430 = 19.7K. You make 2.3K in your first 15 minutes max - meaning, you need to stay alive for 30 minutes and get at least 600 (if not 800/1050) score both times to be able to afford a second respawn).
The big issue with sim rewards is the lobby system really limits our options as people can just shop for easy games, zomb in easy lobbies (all those denmark games filled with bombers are really engaging gameplay at 2-4 brackets) or outright fix matches (get an alt to die repeatedly for you). Boosting maximum reward boosts these guys, which will likely be rejected outright by gaijin.
@_Reyman Doesn’t solve the thing I witnessed recently in Denmark lobbies where there was 1 guy on team A, 1 guy on team B. Guy on team A had 15 kills. Guy on team B had exactly 15 deaths. Everyone else was zombing.
The guy with 15 deaths had a random string of numbers for name too, to make it less blatant.
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That wouldn’t really make a difference, since the risk of a fighter pilot getting a positive points balance is always higher than that of a bomber pilot.
Most combat operations by fighter pilots, or not bomber pilots, take place around the front line.
When you start, the timer starts ticking. You can often be at the scene in about 5 minutes. You find your target, flip a coin and with luck you win the fight.
Then you still have 8 or 9 minutes left to survive…
Unfortunately, there was a second enemy who was somehow invisible. You no longer have a wing and your engine is out…
As a bomber it looks different.
You fly for 13 minutes to the first target, throw your bombs, see a fighter plane that is trying with great difficulty to climb towards you… You just keep flying towards the next airfield.
By the time the fighter plane is within weapons range, the 15 minutes will be over one way or another.
Full marks.
On the other hand, as a fighter pilot you don’t have a single guaranteed target. This means that sometimes you fly for 15 minutes without ever scoring any points.
This is completely different with airfields. These are guaranteed, very easy to plan targets. Low risk, extreme reward.
When I look at the difference in points between fighter and bomber pilots, a cap for bombing airfields is simply not enough. “Zombers” usually score 3 times as many points as the best fighter pilot in the group.
Bombing bases isn’t the problem anyway. They’re good the way they are.
How many times do you have that in 20 or 30 matches?
I had this recently too… In one of 30 or more matches…
How often do you have Zomber? Exactly… I have 1 or 2 or more in every single match…
But I took a screenshot of the two guys. One guy on my team flew a P-47. The one from the opposing team took the German reserve biplane. Of course, they just wanted to practice dogfights :D
Is a reason for a ban, report and good.
Most players hate the system now, but hates a lot more zombers. Gaijin solution is airways nerf 💁🏻♀️
Zomber haters who don’t even know why zombers target the airfield instead of bases or other things be like:
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Giveing rewards after landing would be the best.
you will value the airplane, dying would have conceqances and there wouldent be 10min of resting on the airfield.
If you need diferrent rewarding system do this one, as simple as it is, IS foolprove. BUT HAVEING THE SAME REWARDING AS IN OTHER GAMEMODES WOULD BE THE BEST.
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I said it before in other thread. Hybrid system.
PvE stuff = Keep UA system
PvP stuff = Instant rewards
Implement some safety measures against bots like rewards are not given for kill if plane is on the ground so zombers cant abuse it that way by spawning on multiple accounts.
Plus remove custom made lobbies and only make automatically generated ones.
All problems solved.
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but you dont want to get rid of bombers, atleast thay are players that do something for winning.
we need as much players as possible.
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Yes, I hate Zombers…
The Event for the F 106 right now is the best example.
A Zomber can do 10k points or more in about 30 Minutes. (Equals in about 35k points for the event)
Sounds a bit unfair…
But that’s just 1 reason.
The main reason is:
They just fly brainless suicide missions…
Have you ever seen multiple F111, F4´s, and so on, flying out in masses, just to crash into a target??
Multimillion Dollar planes send to the trash bin.
So yes, I hate Zombers, because they are the reason why fighters struggle to get a fair payment.
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chinese bots and abusers are a reasons why we have what we have instead of rewards.
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I’m at a state right now, where I really think, Sim would be better without any bomber. They don´t care about the missions you have to do to win a match… They fly AFK for 20 minutes to make breakfast, blocking the slots for players who want to join and be active in the match. They don´t communicate, and they don´t care about the team…
Sim is team play. But the majority of the bombers are just in sim to farm for their own. I know about 4 good Bomber pilots… 4 out of thousands…
So yes, fix the rewards for Bombers or get rid of them in sim. Let them play something else.
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Such as? ASB is literally the only gamemode for Mud Movers at the moment
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By bombing the airfield and bases, thay do score and help to win the game, bombers only friendly gamemod is AirSim. But players play bombers just to get SL, sinc you cant make a profit if you die two times as a fighter. I would fix rewards for the hole gamemod, rewards at the time of the action as in RB.
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Also shifting bomber rewards around would be swell.
- Convoys should give most ticket impact and most score given they’re nearly suicidal to take on and require coordinated teamwork with WW2 aircraft (and you WILL incur casualties)
- Similarly, boat convoys.
- Ground battles should also provide good score and ticket loss (this is kinda true at WW2 tiers to the point I started strapping bombs to my bf109s and the like to try and get more consistent wins)
- Bases could be more complex and fun to engage (create value for using bunker buster vs napalm vs carpetbombing, giving each their own niche) - maybe even give us railways for train attacks!
- Airfields should have the least reward given their miniscule impact on match outcome.
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Only if there was a suffecient number of other things to attack. I’ve found myself in enemy airspace, with a belly full of bombs, and all the bases I was going for were taken. So having the AFs to go lob the bombs at is rather nice. It would be frustating if the rewards for that were reduced without a corrosponding increase in other objectives to replace it.
(though im fairly certain the Zombers farming the event could easily be dealt with without directly reducing the rewards)
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???
The Bases respawn after about 1 minute in every match I was. There are ground targets all the time…
In a fighter, you sometimes fly for more than 30 minute without any targets. So first, there have to be endless AI targets for the fighter pilots.
Bombers have enough targets to attack… The whole time. There is not a single minute without targets for them.
Airfield bombing has to be set to zero points…