with german made armour… yeah.
i agree
idk what you mean by overvalue… their implementation is shite
its supposed to be a bit better iirc but eh gaijin kek
its literally no better when any MBT can go through anywhere on the tank and even LT like the BMP-2M can pen the ufp with its mythical APFSDS bursts and 4 spammissiles
yes i am aware, i own the vilkas
id ask you to elaborate but i know you dont have a point
It won’t have identical protection against KE though. What makes the Namer so fun is that it can brawl it out with other IFVs (it allows me to enact my revenge on 2S38s for their time being annoying cunts).
Also the fixed launcher on the KF41 makes the spikes on the KF41 far worse than the spikes on the Namer.
The KF41 not being able to hit a target within 300m in ideal conditions (so standing on flat ground, using your gun depression only increases the minimum distance) is just way too limiting.
Sure… because spikes justifies a 2 br steps difference…
Buddy dont even try, your stats with light tanks speaks for themselves.
Btw even agaisnt heavy armor the 30mm is far more reliable than the fire and forgets spike
It would involve what could be considered stat shaming, which I’m not in the mood to do.
Puma is 10.0, KF-41 is 10.3
what do you mean a 2 BR steps difference?
no kidding, grind stats =/= sweat stats
It is 10.7…
Lmao you haven’t even opened the italian tree, have you?
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Dude, what grind ? You dont even manage to have a positive stat after 700 battles with a vehicle…
It has always been 10.7.
btw, the KF-41 is supposed to be immune to 30mm APDS or possibly even 30mm APFSDS, and the Puma is even more protected irl (weighs more than a damn T-72)
so blame gayjin
Well it isnt…
Yeah, Gaijin artificially made the puma way worse than it is IRL and gave it a far too high br too.
The AHEAD ammo still barely works, the missile jammer is still not as effective as it is irl and much more.
Off of the Wiki, because it’s a pain to switch between War Thunder and a browser (plus I don’t want my laptop to overheat rip).
I mean I did say the Namer 30, Vilkas, and Freccia should go to 10.0, but that decision isn’t based on where the KF41 is in comparison to them. The KF41’s autocannon and Spikes don’t really warrant 10.7, and separately the autocannons, mobility, and Spikes of the Freccia and Namer don’t warrant 10.3. The Vilkas could probably move down from 10.3 as well, depending on if its mobility doesn’t reflect its high HP/ton.
No? I used the BMP-2M and 2S38 as the metrics to move the vehicles around.
I wasn’t really making that a factor when comparing the PUMA and BMP-2M, though. I didn’t say that, to be fair, but it wasn’t something I was really using to balance as the difference between the two HP/ton metrics isn’t that much.
The issue is if KF-41 moves to 10.3, Namer, Vilkas, and Freccia have to move to 10.0; and if Namer moves to 10.0, BMP-2M and M3A3 have to move to at least 9.7.
I not only disagree but also completely dont understand the basis of your logic for “if X moves down then Y has to as well”… No, no it does not. BMP2M is in my personal opinion already undertiered given that it has access to high firerate gun with apfsds and IRST locking capability AND has access to beam-riding tandem missiles that can not only be fired on the move but also can be fired one after another.
And regarding the bradley, if i had been asked about the M3A3 bradley pre-SeeknDestroy update about its BR id say its honestly good at 10.0. Its not survivable by any metric but you atleast had the TOW2Bs that flew well. However since gaijin has decided to make any and all SACLOS missiles handle completely unrealistically (A FUCKING TOW DOESNT DIP AND HIT THE GROUND AS IF IT WOULD WEIGH 2 TONS AFTER GOING OUT OF THE TUBE GAIJIN) the bradley could in all honesty go down to 9.7 and not much would change.
Beam riding is a flaw just like wire guided.
Gaijin fixed the unrealistic movement of all missiles in 2023, and fixed the unrealistic movement of TOW-2Bs recently as well.
TOW-2Bs don’t dip into the ground and I don’t think they ever did.
Also you can’t have your cake and eat it too.
You can argue about BMP-2M being under-BR’d, SPIKEs even in their current state are better than beam riding.
They are not, even tow 2 b are more reliable and consistent.
This sentence makes no logical sense.
Also, I tested the Spikes, 9M133, and a SACLOS missile (the QN201DD) and overall the 9M133s are still better. The Spikes cannot be used under 310m, they have a 50% chance of doing no damage, and about a quarter of the time they just straight up miss; the SACLOS missile I tested still dips into the ground hard and was essentially impossible to use within ~250m without having to do extremely annoying mouse flicks; the 9M133 was hard to use sometimes if the terrain got wonky, but any time it connected it was a kill - no exceptions.
Wtf are you saying? The M3A3 deserving a lower BR than the BMP-2M due to the BMP-2M having better missiles, a much faster fire rate, and tracking makes sense. The KF-41 having arguably worse missiles, a worse gun overall (a slight bit more pen but less than half the fire rate), but similar characteristics otherwise means the KF-41 should probably the same BR as the BMP-2M - not 1.3 BR higher.
TOW maneuverability is fine:
Prove to all of us that BMP-2M has armor, SPIKE missiles, elevated aiming and weapon positions, 21% more pen on its APFSDS, and so on and so forth.
BMP-2M is not as good as Russia probably claims it is.
Neither has armor.
Again spikes are by far a worse missiles, saying otherwise just shows ignorance in your behalf, as not only have an erratic lock, but also a low penetation, low speed and low explosive mass.
You do have elevated aiming with the bmp2…
You have a 175% more fire rate
Again youre grossly overstimating the spikes actual capabilities in the game.