You don’t need to hover with a FnF heli
The Pantsir needs LoS to kill helis, so peeking and lobbing still works
The only thing that changed is that the team with a Pantsir has protection against A2G spam
JAGMs and the Chinese FnF ATGMs may not be as deadly as LMURs, but spamming non-LMURs is still extremely effective
even with the OG pantsir is was difficult if there was more than 1 up.
Sure you might not outright die, but all your weapons will get intercepted because they have the features to do so.
Gaijin really needs to work on their balancing
It’s not even good at intercepting planes…
But it can intercept 20+ Glide bombs and not break a sweat. It can be used as a tank destroyer because well 30mms haven’t been nerfed and it gets missiles with 300mm pen.
If you have a one sided umbrella on your team your team is going to stay nice and dry while the other team gets hosed in piss.
Something I also noticed, looks like radar lock can still track even when terrain its blocking the line of sight, ofc proxy fuse will still work. Time 5:19 of the video.
Sadly they refuse to do ahistorical changes to balance the offending weapons/vehicles
But alas, here we are in the eternal CAS v SPAA arms race that has been making ground battles incredibly unbalanced
BVVD thinks adding HARMS will break the game…Brother in Christ adding HARMS against this system is not going to make a difference.
Such a dumb addition and it even retains an ammo crate. Every CAS aircraft Rafale, Typhoon and Gripen could all attack it at once and it would likely still survive!
i wouldnt even mind if every nations spaa was strong enough that its the entire CAS vs SPAA (like 8.3) but its one particular nation.
It just leads to situations where youre cooked if you dont have that nation on your side. Like with the irist’s introduction
its fine, its just that when russia gets one good SPAA we complain about the powercreep but when the rest gets one thats better than any previous SPAA we dont speak of power creep. You still need to know how to use it unlike the rest which are just 2 buttons and the missiles do the rest for you. And you cant really complain how noone else has something similar to it when noone built SPAA systems like this aside from russia.
Isnt the TOR-M1 more in-line with the other nation spaas??
Also they shouldnt have added the KH-38MT if they were not planning in adding supersonic missiles to other nations as well, the KH-25MT and KH-29 were good enough too. KH-38ML yeah not so much problem.
Helis with FnF were easily defeated by 5th gen missiles (such as p5 or aim9x) and spike atgms, now they made them almost invincibles. Its not even a realistic feature for LDIRCM.
HARMs will just lead to blufor SAMs and SPAAs suffering even more than they currently do
but when the rest gets one thats better than any previous SPAA we dont speak of power creep
Alot of people complained about the irist when it got added, it could even kill you on your AF
You still need to know how to use it unlike the rest which are just 2 buttons and the missiles do the rest for you.
With the radar screen its also just 2 buttons that do the work for you, except now you also get 30 missiles to intercept all their ordinance
And you cant really complain how noone else has something similar to it when noone built SPAA systems like this aside from russia.
And where does balance come in a situation like that?
Gib MMW brimstones on my typhoons because russia hasnt built a system like that.
It doesnt justify adding something just because no one else has anything silimar, Hell its even WHY THEY SHOULDNT ADD IT, THERE ISNT A COUNTERPART.
War thunder isnt just a vacuum, everything you add has an effect on everything else, especially when its the best in its class.
F14 forced everyone to multipath or die, Gripen was basically untouchable when it was released, Pantsir protected its team for 2 years when it got added.
Sounds ridiculous but its actually true, even BUKs work without TADS lmao
But since they won’t screw Russia, it won’t matter and we won’t get a devblog announcing major changes.
With how absurdly advanced RU SPAA is now, HARMS wouldn’t even be a threat with their pretty low speed and no terminal MMW seeker.
We would need things like Mako, AARGM-ER, STRATUS-RS and other comparable systems to even have a chance of suppressing the new pantsir 2 reliably.
Oh definitely, the USSR should have gotten the TOR rather than the Pantsir and the Kh-25/29s were more than enough to be competitive, but Gaijin apparently thought otherwise
Personally, I don’t care how easy the helis themselves are to kill with a nerfed LDIRCM, FnF missiles on helis should never have been added
The problem is that, if Gaijin adds ARMs in a way that makes them useable against the SAMs and SPAAs we currently have, they would also be useable against other nations anti air, not just against Pantsirs
Pantsirs wouldn’t really care about ARMs being sent their way, meanwhile the other SAMs would be forced to play defensively against ARMs, while also trying to not get killed by tanks
Planes shouldn’t be overpowering anti air to begin with, anti air should have the upper hand against CAS
Later HARMs do have MMW terminal seekers, iirc C and onwards do.
Also it’s Pantsir-SM, not Pantsir-S2 if that’s what you’re calling it.
It is unfortunately so.
These hyper modern ARMs aren’t even something that can be arbitrarily limited to exclusively attack the Pantsir 2 radar band either.
Older systems can be forced to only target that band but they’re just outright non-threats to 80% of the multi-vehicle SAM systems in the game.
Maybe if the multi-vehicle SAM systems are given a 4th unit that is a CIWS or DEW system we could have a bit more parity between the rest of the game and RU (even then Pantsir 2 still has AT abilities with the overperforming penetration on the hypersonic missile, these others would still be toothless against ground assets)
Plus like… if they add ARMs as a means to “counter” Pantsir-SM-SV, then Russia will also get it’s fair share of ARMs… Since unlike Kh-38, NATO and Russia/China all have options through one way or another.
Wow, just like low tier helis, that also get spammed by planes, it’s a wonder why people like MAW and LDIRCM helis, because it’s not an free kill for planes most of the time.
