The Pantsir SM-SV is Simply Too Strong, Russian Bias as Clear as Day

Some of those are mounted on ethier stupid big platforms, or are stationary

Skyguard Skyshield can be mounted on Boxers (Skyranger? Don’t remember the name for the vehicle) and both the MLBPWS and HSVD/ADAMS are mobile systems

(MLBPWS standing for Mobile Land-based Phalanx Weapon System, ADAMS standing for Air Defense Advanced Mobile System)

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not skyguard
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Idk much about the rest though

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I think what hes trying to say that despite the Mi28 being more effective, Apaches can still spam hellfires, hover over helipads, rinse and repeat.

Regardless if its worse than the Mi 28, its still opressive. (All helicopters are)

i wan’t saying it was better overall but the pros of the puma has compared to the BMPT, like what the PUMA has thats way better, that the BMPT didn’t, not saying the PUMA was better overall

If you think that puma having more pen than BMPT is a pro, that says alot. And the fact that you think hellfires are FnF, jesus dude do a google search

i dont get it - tell me why is the LMUR “biased”? like the only heli in USSR can get 8 max and the AH-64E gets AGM-179 JAGM-MR (IR) air-to-ground missiles and 16 of them but no one really says thats bias?

These would work, but it probably woukdnt satisfy players, but its all they got.

I made a post just on this: LMUR's AoA value is unfair

so it’s the angle that makes it biased?

Theyre basically saying the 8 fnf missiles are way more eff3ctive than 16 hellfires that arent fnf

But as I said before. ALL helicopters are guilty of being opressive and apaches having 16 hellfires they can sling at close range is quite opressive.

Again, the important part isn’t trying to match the pantsir SMSV, its to provide some sort of balance

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It’s not the angle itself that makes it biased it’s the fact that it’s the ONLY one with this angle while others were supposed to have it first

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  1. flight path makes 8 fnf more deadly then 16 :) (also the missile it self being he vs heat)
  2. with the mix of the new pantsir it will get even less kills and the mi28 will be protected :)

hellifres suck even close range :) Jagms don’t as much but still getting close range and not getting missiles intercepted is another

Yup, with CIWS vehicles in more trees we would definitely have way less problems with FnF helis and CAS in general

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Yeah, but granted if these kinds of vehicles have a TWS system that allows them to properly see everything at once.

If not, itll feel like the anti air cv90 where yoi have to manually lock everything

Skyguard has this, a fire test was done where it shot down several drones at once with a burst of air ammunition.

They mustve been closely packed together to destroy a group with a burst… but Ill take your word for it.

Well, whatever seconds one would define as a burst

Modern SPAA not having “TWS” is honestly a red flag as that is the baseline standard for protection against multiple targets. I would be shocked if any of the SPAA Khorne mentioned did nto have “TWS”