Does the Mi-28NM stats also include pre Lmur data? If so I really wanna see the stats only counting after Lmur was added. Maybe we can get the Ka-52M soon and see.
it does not
all of those stats are only data from october, which is well after the update
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How is it unreliable? It is a primary source directly from Russia
Yea stop trying to remove the only thing making helis competitive
If you want unrealistic things to make vehicles competitive this is not your game.
We have a forum, bug reports and a whole suggestion section that needs decent proofs to implement vehicles and modifications. If we just rely on magic then all of this doesnt matter
Can you effectively prove that DIRCM cannot protect against IIR missiles or iris? Do you have first hand sources?
The other day I gave you proofs of that. And im still waiting for your proofs, which you only reponded me with info that actually kept proving me right
Here:
IR and IIR are not the same as you think. Cant compare 3th gen missiles with 5th gen ones, technology keeps improving mate
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Also the devs have accepted as true what im talking about.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/YMLQJSEdkUWO
Idk what are you trying to defend
There you go, another response proving me right. Yes LDIRCM can fool 4th gen missiles like r73, aim9m or p4.
But what im telling you, its that 5th gen missiles like aim9x, p5 and irist shouldnt be affected by this countermeasure.
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Pretty good diagram you got there. As far I can understand of it its that the counter for 4th gen aam are countermeasures that dazzle the seeker which the L370V28-5L (mi28nm ldircm) does. But for 5th gen aam you need a hard kill laser beam that damages the seeker which we dont have ingame.
Even if we say all the new LDIRCM are hard kill laser beams (highly doubt it) it still needs to be limited by 2 missiles at a time and the protection zones.
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Yea ok
They are affected, it depends on the laser wattage. The CIRCM/LDIRCM of the AH-64E is powerful enough to damage the imagers per the paper that you yourself posted.
I’m unaware of the Z10 or the MI28 LDIRCM wattage
From the IRST paper in that bug report it’s resistant to “blinding lasers”
low power blinding lasers may be blocked but higher power damaging lasers are different.
The devs seem to agree
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I personally dont know the wattages of each nation LDIRCM bc they are also classified, im just working with general information and patents about the capability and limitations of LDIRCM in general against IIR. Yes the paper states that you need a laser with > 100 w to damage the seeker, but again not sure where you get the wattages that the ah64 have.
Also the consume of energy its not equal as the amount of energy the laser emits.
That appears to list power draw and not laser output power.
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well no shit the 9.3 SPAA cant do against 11.7 helicopter.
You guys are right. CIRCM does not damage. I concede on that point.
Here’s how CIRCM works. It uses lasers at the exact same IR wavelength as the heli/plane.
I think in ingame mechanics it would in effect be a constant every direction flare stream coming from the vehicle.
How this interacts with the IRS-T’s I’m not even sure.
Video of the laser manufacturer:
[https://youtu.be/SbE71AZSLkE]
(This is only the APACHE’s LDIRCM, not how any others work)
i mean its really a FNF issue. There should be none such armanment ingame for sure, but i do believe every other FNF should extinct.