No. The Mi-28NM always has an advantige in WT.
Name me 1 scenario in WT where slow, inacurate HEDP rounds would work better.
“Won’t lock” is a wide term, you can’t lock in general or is it locking the ground? Can’t start a lock?
16 hit vs 8 killed
Yeah you’re probably right.
Maybe 300SP?
Yeah. I wish they changed those maps so that it’s harder to die on them…
- Light vehicles (it’s very multipurpose)
- Literally has the worst time picking up IR sigs of non burnin tanks past 5 miles
- I 1 tap tanks when using the hellfires… literally have been doing that with my Black Hawk
good luck hitting anything, the lack of accuracy is insane.
“Dispersion: 80% within 3 mrad diameter”
Doesn’t help that that the penetration for M789 is significantly lower than it should be too.
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So are Vikhirs… but unlike everyone else I don’t consistently complain about pen issues.
Nor is the 30mm all that accurate past 500 meters either.
The 30mm is better at air defense, where as the Apache is better against ground, and infantry targets
definitely an issue despite all the russian mains trying to claim otherwise (october stats)
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The 30mm APDS has better penetration even at an angle (ignoring post-ricochet angles) than M789 out past 4km. And it generally has an easier time as the roof tends to be 25~38mm thick for western designs, vs 30~45mm thick for the T-series, + any ERA coverage makes it hard to find contiguous areas assuming that hits even occur. So has even less penetration in reserve.
They could add the 20mm APDS for the M197 (Lightweight Vulcan) as well, but haven’t for “reasons”
There is a reason why vehicles & modules (is an option for CROWS on the M1, alongside the FGM-148 Javelin) that use the M230LF (M914) (e.g. Sgt. Stout, M3A4(XM914), M1278(HGC) etc.) have been avoided so far, It’s really not a great platform at all.
It all comes down to the use of variants of the M789, with different fuses.
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Does the Mi-28NM stats also include pre Lmur data? If so I really wanna see the stats only counting after Lmur was added. Maybe we can get the Ka-52M soon and see.
it does not
all of those stats are only data from october, which is well after the update
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How is it unreliable? It is a primary source directly from Russia
Yea stop trying to remove the only thing making helis competitive
If you want unrealistic things to make vehicles competitive this is not your game.
We have a forum, bug reports and a whole suggestion section that needs decent proofs to implement vehicles and modifications. If we just rely on magic then all of this doesnt matter
Can you effectively prove that DIRCM cannot protect against IIR missiles or iris? Do you have first hand sources?
The other day I gave you proofs of that. And im still waiting for your proofs, which you only reponded me with info that actually kept proving me right
Here:
IR and IIR are not the same as you think. Cant compare 3th gen missiles with 5th gen ones, technology keeps improving mate
Also the devs have accepted as true what im talking about.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/YMLQJSEdkUWO
Idk what are you trying to defend
There you go, another response proving me right. Yes LDIRCM can fool 4th gen missiles like r73, aim9m or p4.
But what im telling you, its that 5th gen missiles like aim9x, p5 and irist shouldnt be affected by this countermeasure.
Pretty good diagram you got there. As far I can understand of it its that the counter for 4th gen aam are countermeasures that dazzle the seeker which the L370V28-5L (mi28nm ldircm) does. But for 5th gen aam you need a hard kill laser beam that damages the seeker which we dont have ingame.
Even if we say all the new LDIRCM are hard kill laser beams (highly doubt it) it still needs to be limited by 2 missiles at a time and the protection zones.
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Yea ok