PARS was this bad, in fact worse. They would pop up, spam all ATGMs, rearm, and repeat. The kill feed would light up with PARS kills.
The same can be said about Kh-38ML/MT, the idea that these are anti-tank weapons in game is stupid, these are meant for infrastructure and building demolition.
AASM Hammers
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I know Hammers are a thing (just a bomb with a rocket strapped in the back) but Kh-38/Hammers are meant for larger targets and not vehicles 🤷
Their use in game is completely overkill, there are guided ATG missiles that are better suited for the role of anti-tank, and that’s why they exist. I feel like Gaijin shouldn’t have allowed large HE guided weapons imo, but that boat sailed long ago.
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Apparently, so many follow-up posts have not addressed the substantive issues. Soviet-era vehicles continue to dominate the entire battlefield with the Mi-28, and other nations have no effective countermeasures. I’ve had enough of this absurd vehicle, and the gaming experience has been extremely poor. I will no longer spend any more money on this game. The game boasts diverse gameplay and factions, yet it feels like Russia’s own backyard. What’s the purpose? To foster national pride? What a joke.
kh38mt if it existed would likely have a seeker like the one from the aasm250(or scalp/storm shadow), these are not weapons meant to target tanks, the fact they work like they do is purely an ingame convention.
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There’s also that, but we’re getting a bit off-topic and we have already been down this rabbit hole…
The IRL evidence paint a different picture.
IRL you don’t need outright blow up a tank/ifv in order to score “kill”. Disabeling the track/engine/transmision is enough for the crew to abando it. More over Lancet is used to hit soft target (artilery, radars, MLRS’s etc etc), that are away from the frontline.
Yeah FPV drones haven’t made tanks (western or not) obsolete, but untill effective counter-measure is developed, bouth sides use them rearly on the frontline and mostly as a mobile 125 mm artilery (only the soviet era, becous the wester tanks FCS don’t have the ability for indirect fire).
They bouth massproduse them with 3d printers, even on the frontline, since early 2023.
Fiber optic cable doesn’t care about EW and its widely used since late 2023.
more like 2-5k at most… as I’ve seid, they mass-produse them with 3d printers and the components, for Russia, are imported cheap from China… for the UA it might be more expencive.
IRL is not WT or BF6… it doesn’t work that way
Sure, but they did use it on civilians… twice…
I’m expectin the Mod’s nuking the thread any day now…
What does that have to do with the original comment?
It easily was not. It had much shorter range, the KP was and still is much worse than LMUR’s, and the platform itself is vastly inferior. Objectively the UHT was never as unmanageable as th NM currntly is.
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I really don’t get these comparisons between the UHT and the new Helis. PARS never outranged most SACLOS missiles like the new AGMs do, the UHT never had this much immunity against IR missiles and it doesn’t even have a chin gun.
The simple fact that the new helis are oppressively strong despite the insane powercreep SPAAs got in the past months should end any discussion like this.
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Yep, pretty much. UHT was a hit-or-miss against the old pre-nerf Tunguska, a 10km ranged SPAA with SACLOS missiles, the new helis are oppressive against F&F SPAA’s from 2020s on the other hand…
I have the UHT, i tried playing it against new SPAA’s, I couldn’t do much, meanwhile the NM with LMUR was sniping SLMs…
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su25sm3 get kh38 → op as hell → become balanced after fox3 → su34/su30 get kh38mt → powercreep → need new spaa → powercreep → new spaa made plane/spaa balanca much better but killed helicopters → helicopters get ldircm and better f&f to be viable → powercreep → ?
“su34/su30 get kh38mt” probably one of the worst snail decisions. I can’t imagine how to get out of this powercreep loop now without making someone (planes, spaa, helicopters) useless.
Not with the current GRB mode…
Lancet is a loitering munition, they have massive RCS in a peer 2 peer conflict that Lancet is going to be detected from 100s of miles away.
Cope cages and simple ERA defeats Lancet.
It’s not a wonder weapon.
Cost you miss that these companies need to turn a profit and they don’t yes it’s 3D printed and those drones are significantly cheaper than Lancet.
Fibre optics again look at the price of fibre optic cable the cost has tripled. They are immune to EW but not to limitations in weight and battery life.
These have again been countered by Radar SPAA on both sides Gepard and Tunguska can detect track and destroy drones. Forcing them to fly lower to avoid detection, meaning they cannot see targets with battery life limitations and often fly into the closest military target. Some guy on a quad bike while the camouflaged tank/spg next to him is missed.
Drones are a cheap force mulitplier it allows insurgencies to engage with tanks and vehicles in a way mortars cannot. However when drones are jammed or countered you still need mortars and artillery.
Fully agreed
PARS was never as dominant as LMUR. It hit weak, tracked poorly due to its flight profile, and could be countered easily by spawning a plane to take out the UHT. Now, with the new AA systems in play, hunting helis has become much tougher. A Mi-28NM backed by a BUK or an IRIS can be an actual nightmare depending on the map.
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Also, the amateur implementation of liwhatever in game killing ir missiles like some magical force field wasn’t a thing then either.
The liwhatever implementation is, quite frankly, embarrassing and utterly broken. It should be removed until they can do it properly rather than leaving this crap in game.
Ai, but I found it amusing all the same
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You will notice it, but it needs to fly 95 km before a modern air defense system can shoot it down.
air defense systems do not have such protection
Their range is very limited and their radars are very weak.
The Lancet still flies at high altitude to reduce the chance of being shot down.