su25sm3 get kh38 → op as hell → become balanced after fox3 → su34/su30 get kh38mt → powercreep → need new spaa → powercreep → new spaa made plane/spaa balanca much better but killed helicopters → helicopters get ldircm and better f&f to be viable → powercreep → ?
“su34/su30 get kh38mt” probably one of the worst snail decisions. I can’t imagine how to get out of this powercreep loop now without making someone (planes, spaa, helicopters) useless.
Not with the current GRB mode…
Lancet is a loitering munition, they have massive RCS in a peer 2 peer conflict that Lancet is going to be detected from 100s of miles away.
Cope cages and simple ERA defeats Lancet.
It’s not a wonder weapon.
Cost you miss that these companies need to turn a profit and they don’t yes it’s 3D printed and those drones are significantly cheaper than Lancet.
Fibre optics again look at the price of fibre optic cable the cost has tripled. They are immune to EW but not to limitations in weight and battery life.
These have again been countered by Radar SPAA on both sides Gepard and Tunguska can detect track and destroy drones. Forcing them to fly lower to avoid detection, meaning they cannot see targets with battery life limitations and often fly into the closest military target. Some guy on a quad bike while the camouflaged tank/spg next to him is missed.
Drones are a cheap force mulitplier it allows insurgencies to engage with tanks and vehicles in a way mortars cannot. However when drones are jammed or countered you still need mortars and artillery.
Fully agreed
PARS was never as dominant as LMUR. It hit weak, tracked poorly due to its flight profile, and could be countered easily by spawning a plane to take out the UHT. Now, with the new AA systems in play, hunting helis has become much tougher. A Mi-28NM backed by a BUK or an IRIS can be an actual nightmare depending on the map.
Also, the amateur implementation of liwhatever in game killing ir missiles like some magical force field wasn’t a thing then either.
The liwhatever implementation is, quite frankly, embarrassing and utterly broken. It should be removed until they can do it properly rather than leaving this crap in game.
Ai, but I found it amusing all the same
You will notice it, but it needs to fly 95 km before a modern air defense system can shoot it down.
air defense systems do not have such protection
Their range is very limited and their radars are very weak.
The Lancet still flies at high altitude to reduce the chance of being shot down.
The fact that it can jam all incoming missiles and somehow fool one of the most modern IIR missiles in the world is laughable, the implementation feels like an insult to the players who grinded out SLM/IRIS-T.
At most, it would be able to jam one missile (not like that even matters, since IOG+DL would take over the guidance method if the seeker is somehow damaged) and just fly straight through the cockpit of the Mi-28.
And the DLIRCCM dazzler is placed at the bottom to protect against MANPADs so IRIS-T wouldn’t even be affected by it because of its lofting.
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You will notice it, but it needs to fly 95 km before a modern air defense system can shoot it down.
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That’s a a two edged sword, it takes too long for the system to arrive on station. The target has left and the Lancet is then expended on a secondary target.
Air defence systems defeat Lancet/can even jam the frequency it is operating on and they have done so. A
gain Lancet is essentially a long range TV guided missile. It’s not new or revolutionary.
Gepard radar is fine and has been put to good use intercepting drones and missiles. Lancet flies at 130ish mph depending on altitude version (Lancet 3 is larger and heavier than Lancet 1) and power requirements. It really is a simple interception for the Gepard system.
Flying higher increases battery consumption and more importantly increases likelihood of detection. lancet also needs a drone to operate with it, they are usually guided on to target by another Russian drone. as Lancets nose mounted camera lacks the resolution of a conventional recon drone. Shoot down the recon drone and the Lancet is essentially blind, especially if the thing it has been launched to kill has done what it needed to do and has left the AO.
Not even lofting you cannot “dazzle” an IIR seeker head it matches the thermal signature of the target. It will ignore DIRCM
Uh huh sure.
I remember the days of its spam. Especially if you were on more open maps, your tech would just evaporate.
Adding to this, I saw one score 6 kills last night without a problem.
LMUR doesn’t out range the saclos or any spaa tbh. I have yet to get them to lock past 5.0 miles distance.
Even 5 miles is enough to make every saclos other than the pantsir lose enough energy to be easily avoidable
It’s a helicopter dude. It’s not a jet. It maxes out at like 180 mph.
Plus I don’t want to hear it. You know how many times in every helo br I’ve even been shot down by a superior spaa / planes camping the helo pads?
Like for once the helis are usuable to a degree.
Pars came before all, years before all. I’m sick of this “Russia has an OP weapon now, even though others had IR F&F systems, now it’s a problem, but only for them”
If everything were that simple, we wouldn’t have seen dozens of shots of air defense systems being destroyed.
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It was objectivety worse in the sense of being a lot more manageable as a whole for both SPAA’s and jets. Don’t be biased for Russia mate.
Especially if you were on more open maps, your tech would just evaporate.
Yeah guess what LMUR does lol, just that it can ignore IR missiles, has more range, has better kill potential due to its warhead, and the platform is better, lol.
You people keep bringing up how something used to be in the past to argue that something even worse in the present is actually fine for the game as if that somehow excuses LMUR and NM being broken as shit,
You can still avoid a VT1 if you’re watching out.
Yeah that’s me hunting MIs with my brimstones, because that’s the only thing they are great at
The problem is not that Russia has it, the problem is that it is again based on either ridiculous overperformance compared to irl or others being artificially gimped. Why can a bottom mounted LDIRCM affect missiles through the heli itself? Why are the LMURs the only AGMs that correctly loft?
“Objectively worse due to spaa”
The do the same exact thing!
You’re the one being biased in this case.
Because both helis will spawn close, dump their agms and land. There isn’t a lick of difference besides: LMUR having a better chance to kill its target on a successful hit.
Let’s give them the benefit of the doubt, even if it were to somehow jam the IIR seeker, the missile would just fallback to IOG+DL, I don’t think Diehl engineers would have overlooked this possibility, they 100% gave the missile the ability to switch to other guidance methods on demand.
Did you read what I even wrote?
Because both helis will spawn close, dump their agms and land. There isn’t a lick of difference besides: LMUR having a better chance to kill its target on a successful hit.
The do the same exact thing!
Last I checked the KHT is a pump and die heli, the NM is a pump and pump and pump because LDIRCM lol.
Yeah low tier helis get abused by spaa. So do top tier except two.
MI-28Nm, and the AH-64E
Also if we want to talk about systems that work / don’t work. Pretty much no IRCM works on any Russian helo. Which is utter bs.
