I switched back to playing USA and grabbed the AH-64E. Spent some time grinding for the IR JAGM to join the ATGM + DIRCM conga line, and holy f, these new helis are broken. After unlocking the IR JAGM I’m sitting on a ~10 K/D (about 40 kills, 4 deaths). If you pop up, and fire, AA pretty much can’t touch you. I’ve even been hunting Pantsir with it.
The only real threat is enemy planes, and with the new AAs choking the sky that’s getting rarer. I can’t help but wonder how many more kills I’d have if JAGM had LMUR’s flight profile with their near 90° top-down angle of attack.(Quite a few of my JAGM failed to inflict damage due to their poor angle of attack or outright failed to connect because of an obstacle)
(7 of these deaths were before the fire and forget missiles)
The people defending this mess are even more insane/scared to lose their OP heli than I first thought.
Considering LMUR has been in service since Syria and we have seen major tank offensives at both Kursk and Robotyne and the LMUR was absent. Almost like the Ka-52M with Vikhrs is a better tank killer.
Which begs the question what can or does this missile do?
I have seen it used against a water pumping plant, a building where it was guided through a window but never against a fast moving target in FnF mode every time the helicopter has had to hover while the missile is guided in and that is due to the DL.
Ultimately LMUR is not that good it’s Russia first real attempt at a missile that is somewhat fire and forget. Which just goes to show far behind the West they really are.
Well, with the br changes gaijin made, it looks that they just created a lot of more work to do.
Ah60s and ECs should be 12.3 (after the new AH-65e comming)
AH-65e without DIRCM should be 12.7
And DIRCM helicopters should be 13.0
Also wtf hahaha, the combo pantsir-ka52 is back again bois.
The only thing that its better on the AH-64D is the radar, Ka-52 should be 12.3 or AH-64D 11.7
Why the YAH-64 is at 11.3 while Ka-50 or RAH-66 are at the same br?
Aaaaaah I dont know, its always the same, they just threw 13.0 br on helicopters (the french EC HAC still at 12.3 xd) said “it is now fixed” and focused in the new update.
Not really as they would be single shot and guided, very different from locking half a team and and then flying away or hovering and immune to most SAMS.
Which is why the situation is funny, US and NATO helicopters have been using AGM-114L since 2005.
Russia are using Beam riding Vikhrs…
LMUR despite being relatively new is still behind the 114L in terms of guidance and functionality.
We can make excuses like well Russia likes to use MITL and maybe so but ultimately if Gaijin ever let NATO have the capabilities they really have the Russian team would rightly not stand a chance.
So it begs the question why do Gaijin keep pandering to Russia…
Being first used in syria doesnt mean that was in wide spread service at that time, it probably was just testing, we only really have evidence of its introduction during the war.
All missiles F&F missiles in game can track moving targets even if they cannot perform those tracks irl at high speed, as long as they are capable of targetting moving targets (which the lmur are capable) they can track any vehicle at any speed in game.
And you ignore all previous pandering because and you pick and chose your data points.
LMUR having a top attack profile yet SPIKE, Hellfire, PARS and (well JAGM) when added did not have it.
They have proved they have the code to make it possible and only allowed it on one missile and that Missile was Russian.
Kh-38…Still the best missile in game and probably will be with even Kh-59 and others incapable of doing what Kh-38 can do. It is the perfect missile for War Thunder meta, Brimstones denied functionality (probably correct but it could have been balanced)
Soyuz…Oh boy this paper ship can load faster, has a smaller magazine, smaller calibre shells with near double the HE of the equals and armour that put it as the best Battleship in game…Now Russia/Soviet surface fleets were not very good at the time of WW2 and the fact this paper ship is superior to the greatest ships of the generation is the definition of pandering (because how can Russia not have the best or equal best of ships?)
Turret basket changes…Autoloader modules doing nothing and actually reducing spalling, unrealistic survivability, adding an FCS module and not enabling because it would impact Russian tanks.
There are 100s of examples and I get it, Russia is one of Gaijins largest customers but lets not pretend it doesn’t happen. And no I do not care about the state of the MiG 29, I raise you Tornado.
ah yes the country where the ppl have probably one of the lower spending powers especially showing when you look at their localized pricing on the market with their stuff being almost 50% cheaper than in the US even without sales
and lets just ignore the cuntry that gaijin made an extra client for and is bending everything for rn:
China has recently moved in to that bracket I agree, It has always historically been Russian, USA and Germany as the largest player bases. I do think India was meant to be a separate tech tree in the hope to tap into that market but it has failed for now.
Only because the baseline JAGM uses MMW/SAL seeker, and since MMW is an anathema for whatever erroneous reason (Obscurants for said bandwidth do exist). And besides a functional trimodal seeker for the Hellfire families’ form factor was demonstrated under the Joint Common Missile (AGM-169) program.
Though the AGM-114L-7 would have been sufficient, doesn’t help that much of what would make the AH-64E an improvement has yet to actually be implemented.
Also it’s fairly obvious that there is a line to be towed with Slow-rolling relevant reports that would materially improve the performance of some vechiles
like the Mig-29 FM reports that gaijin has been ignoring for years?
like the Su-27 FM which isnt anywhere close to its real life slow speed performance
“major tank offensive” is a strong word, for the type of warfere that we see in videos and LMUR was is every theater of operations… there tons of videos on Telegram a specialy from Kursk region. But yeah K-52 was the main character (according to media) in the failed summer offencive of 2023.
There are videos, when it was used against IVF (for MBTs I dont know) and the pilot locked the targets in the terminal phase of the missile… was the helicopter hovering or not we dont know…
That is personal assumtion, if not outright copium.
Oh believe me it will be even wors… if the LMUR had its LOAL capability, the Mi-28NM would hover behind cover and massacre the enemy team even better then now.
Wouldn’t the more likely explanation be that LMUR being IR guided is just very expensive and Russia is limiting its use, because they’re a bunch of brokies?
Is it tho? LMUR got introduced into serve in 2022(?) and seems to need a man in the loop. PARS got introduced in 2005 and spike in 1997.
PARS and Spike need clear line of sight… Spike also can be fired in LOAL, but also need man in the loop.
And “LMUR” first prototype was around the mid-late 2000’s.
The “copium” was mainly for the sentence “Ultimately LMUR is not that good it’s Russia first real attempt at a missile that is somewhat fire and forget.”
