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yeah
ppl love their free russian bias upvotes too
It literally cannot engage LDIRCM since LDIRCM in this game is a forcefield that can counter an infinite number of missiles and cannot be overwhelmed.
The big advantage of the BUK is that its radar based and you don’t really need the radar truck, in fact, the radar truck can be destroyed and you’ll be fine.
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Same for me, I recently got the EC665 Tiger UHT.
Every match, the same thing happens. I spawn in, ascend some meters into the air and see “M28” appear on the RWR - Then I get to see how LMUR completely annihilates my helicopter because I don’t now how to break lock from them.
Even better is their stupid godmode DIRCM. PARS3LR - useless, ATAS - useless, APKWS II - never equipped / never hits.
They should make it like in real life, depending on the DIRCM type, the MIL28NM should only be able to intercept 2 missiles at a time.
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it cant reliably engage them, but if you get lucky you might still hit
isnt it only one and the missile has to be below it for MI28NM IRL
Top Tier is dead right now. it’s impossible to play against the new helis.
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Probably will take a bit but remember Tiger UHT when it was first released, everyone was spamming it like people are doing now with the mi-28nm, it will get fixed, in the mean time I find that countering them with saclos missiles can be quite easy since most players are inexperienced with it just dont sit in spawn and dont radar lock them, most will be clueless till its too late :). Also farming them with Rafale and eurofighter is pretty reliable and easy (finally a use for the brimstones) funnily enough micas also hit them reliably.
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I think the more absurd part is that the spawn cost of these Helis is absurdly low. Especially with the IR guided missiles. Considering how easy it is to get kills with them the spawn cost should be tripled or more. Just recently I watched a replay of a 2S38 getting 2 assists, nothing else. He dies, spawns the NM with LMURs and gets 13+ kills. How can anyone justify that? Realism? Its a f*cking game. War Thunder has nothing to do with realism. I have always been saying, stuff like CAS should be a one time opportunity to turn the match to your teams favor and not an instant win card. The cost should be equal to that. I don’t know the current spawn cost of the NM with LMURs, but the AH-64DJP for example costs roughly 550 with 4 ATAS and 16 114Ks. The AH-64E and Mi-28NM should at least cost 1500 or more if they choose the IR Loadout.
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Ive ran into an issue where i cant laser lock the MI28 with any other heli from most angles. idk why but its really annoying using laser weapons and i cant track.
Video when not used for a source of time in and of itself, is always allowed, especially as a supplemental source to documentation.
USA does: F-15E and F-16C.
I think CLAWS is the minimum viable SPAA that can deal with F-15E and F-16C, if it’s less range than 25km maximum, then it’s unusable against those.
Now they have two great helicopters.
Besides my match having a cheater in it just now with a brand new account after their old account was sold or banned, nothing interesting happened in my top tier match. Helicopters didn’t help the enemy.
well since im talking about average speed the time is needed as it doesnt show speed itself but range as time to hit from the missiles view so that why is say that it is probably not a valid source as per gaijing definition.
I have problems even locking onto the MI28 with a CLAWS if it’s outside of I’d guess ~8k even when it’s hovering a couple hundred feet above the treeline and an open sky behind.
Should be better.
As good as Z-10ME since it has 2 emitters in the same configuration as Z-10ME.
BUK M3 is horrible atm lmao , helis can easily kill it , if u want i can show u just how bad it is in a custom match , even tell u how to easily counter it. all radar guided sams are extremely underperforming against helis. 8x lmurs vs samp/t , sky sabre , slm (all have 16 missiles). so 8v16 missiles. 16x(slightly faster) jagm-mrs vs 12x missiles (buk m3). GER , Italy , France , UK (4 nato nations have better sams for intercepting more munitions). even pantsir is limited to 12 missiles. AH64E is just as op as the MI-28NM or even better. you cant see it rn cus more people have MI-28 and lmurs were just a modification to an already existing heli , vs having to grind a completely new heli (AH-64E). they will counter the new sams with ARMs not with brimstones.
Sure, or make it 2500 so you can chose between nuke or game ending heli.
Ridiculous.
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Why would that be ridiculous? You’re basically saying players should get rewarded with a bunch of free kills for doing almost nothing beforehand. In its current state, the only thing that can actually curb this nonsense is a proper spawn cost increase. Right now, a single heli with IR missiles can flip a match effortlessly.
You bringing up the nuke actually emphasizes that point, because a nuke is a win opportunity that actually requires WORK. And even then you still have to actually fly the nuke carrier to the battlefield and drop it. For a 28NM with a full set of LMURs that guarantees 8 free kills you need 2 assists with a light tank. So no, if at all, pretending that this is fine is what is truely ridicoulous. A spawn cost increase to a number where you actually need to do something is absolutely reasonable.
6+ kills? Good work, you did something, here take that Heli as a reward for your effort.
2 assists? Spawn again and work buddy.
If at all this would be a win-win for everyone. It encourages and rewards good play, rather than just mindlessly running in.
Because 1500 spawn cost is way too much ? Are you serious ?
Yes, it should be more expensive.
A single heli with IR missiles doesn’t flip anything. And if it does, it’s because people decided to ignore killfeed and then cry about it and leave instead of doing something about it.
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It is roughly 400 more than spawning a jet. Jets require more effort to take out enemies with, as they can’t just hover. And yes they do effortlessly flip matches, because of DIRCM. None of the new SPAAs can properly deal with them, because when you launch IR missiles, they just ignore them and when you launch ARH missiles they just hover low enough. There is no risk involved for them AT ALL. They pop up behind a hill, launch 5 missiles within a few seconds and go to cover again.
Not to mention that there are plenty of nations that don’t even have anything that can keep up with them. You have Japan for example, whose AH-64 has neither DIRCM nor does it have any IR guided AGMs, so spawning any heli other than the Z-10ME, 64E or 28NM is worthless.
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