dosent matter as long as you compare two ppl using the same setting
and imo the Comparative one is more useful to gauge someone
Fair enough.
What makes you say that?
For me, the problem with comparitive is that it effectively gives ~98% to anyone above a certain threshold. Pretty useless if you ask me.
bc seeing how someone does compared to the average of the community is more interesting to me
That’s fine, but I must say that the average war thunder player is quite abysmal.
Anyone remotely good and the comparitive rating starts to become irrelevant.
They’re still quite usable, but I get your point.
Just use them to cause them to dodge.
Iglas will miss front-aspect because IRCCM missiles struggle when aircraft pre-flare front-aspect.
The AH-1Z’s 20mm shoots 750 rounds per minute, whereas the Ka-50’s 30mm shoots at 546 rounds per minute.
So yes there is a difference (37% increase in firerate).
However, the firerate of the 20mm doesn’t really matter when its effective range is much less than that of the 30mm. You can spray and spray and nothing will connect until the plane is already shooting at you.
I can’t say the same with that of the Ka-50’s 30mm.
And when you do hit, the 30mms do a lot of damage.
12 grams of TNT for the 20mm, but an incredible 75 grams of TNT for the 30mm.
Now let’s say you want to take the AP belt for the AH-1Z and APDS for the Kamov:
From 1030 m/s → 1030m/s from 20mm HE to 20mm AP (no change in muzzle velocity).
But an incredible 960 m/s → 1120m/s from 30mm HE to 30mm APDS.
You’re effectively a long-range laser with the APDS belt, and 30mm APDS against aircraft is still devastating since it can easily shred through wings and fuselages.
Trust me, it’s underwhelming.
Think about it as if you’re shooting an Aim-9L going 100km/h against a plane ( that you’re trying to shoot in rear-aspect) going 1000km/h.
The missile won’t catch up unless you shoot it exactly when the plane passes you.
Good luck shooting the Aim-9M in front aspect though, since like with the Iglas, front-aspect pre-flaring will cause IRCCM missiles to miss 9 times out of 10.
Just think about it as a forcefield around your helicopter that is immune to all IR-guided missiles (including that of the IRIST). Though this forcefield has some blind spots (at the top of the heli and at the bottom).
I can get behind that, yeah.
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Ah thanks, I’ve never really used anything aside from looking at StatShark for a couple of things.
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You could give the AH-1W / AH-1Z their APDS too.
Or the later Mk. 244, and 224 Mod 0 APDS for even further improved performance.
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I am 2,98% better than you! 🤓
*on thunderskill
Yeah, I don’t know about that, considering that the average player probably has something like 50 to 40% efficiency (whatever that means), I say we are doing pretty good.
Speaking of the Mi-28 problem, here is this wonderful gem.
PARS can’t even do top attack when it should be 45° angle, devs can do it with LMUR why can’t Western ordinance be treated the same?.
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It was rear aspect. For the iglas.
Idk which helo is really better yet. I will soon test them. I’m half way done researching the AH-1Z
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I remember a time when pars was the LMUR of the sky.
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We are talking about LMUR and why it suddenly became acceptable for top-attack weapons to be a thing all of a sudden, while all the other Western FnF missiles are still artificially nerfed. You keep deflecting by bringing up whataboutism to avoid answering the question.
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I was just making a statement. Don’t put words in my mouth.
You’d actually find I agree with you, but as per usual, due to my pfp, I am painted as villain purely based on the fact I like atomic heart…
My estimation is old code vs new code for weapon systems. JAGM is likely using old Hellfire code mixed with IR seeking code. Meanwhile LMUR is likely new code since it’s a totally new AGM.
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So the Chinese agm, spike and pars are all just old code then and it’s a complete coincidence that only the lmur is correct?
Nice! Following me into other threads now?
So would you agree that: Hellfire, JAGM, Spike, Spike ER, and PARS should have their lofting profiles adjusted so that they do not behave like a sea skimming missile and more like a real fire and forget missile should work in real life, by approaching the target from above and at an angle?
I hope you realize the massive injustice and double standards of Gaijin when it comes to anything Russian. The fact that LMUR got its correct attack trajectory ON DAY ONE just adds insult to injury. Gaijin is just making a mockery out of the player base by showing they in fact CAN code top attack weapons in the game.
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Oh so now you’re calling me crap like the other insults you were spewing in the other thread. So moving goalposts & vulgarity. Real classy there
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Im calling your comments Crap, not you.
And I did never move a single goalpost