Is that so?
um…?
me:
you:
we are about the same so we are both bad i guess
we should no longer talk on this matter
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Most people can see Vikhirs coming though, and iglas are so bad. I fired some the other day, and irccm on them seems to be not working, because nearly touching a plane, it dropped one flare and missed.
The 30mm is powerful, but the AH-1Z fires quicker, and I have yet to use the Aim-9M on the 1Z, but I feel like it has to be far better, soon I’ll be able to test it.
The only advantage the Mi-28nm has over the AH-1Z is likely the radar, and the bigger cannon, but for an spaa role, fire rate would be better.
In terms of plane / ground spaa. It doesn’t seem to matter the helicopter, they all get destroyed.
I’m not sure how the Ldirecm works but people keep bringing it up.
Lastly, the spaa should be placed between the helipads that way it’s comfortably covering both without covering the battlefield. They could so be destroyable. It would be nice for bigger maps though, yet most people complain about that, and I disagree. The maps 100% need to be increased by at least 15% size.
With the ability for the spaa to attempt to intercept incoming plane launched aams with its cannons.
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Quick question what tool are you using for those stats?
Sorry if thunder skill is unleliable or something i just found a random site.
I was just curious about how much expiriance someone who was talking that much bullshit had and i have not used those sites before
it is becasue it only takes the stats from ppl into account that actively allow it
meanwhile statshark uses the whole playerbase, which results in a way better sample size
Oh good to know can you cheack itsonyy there then. I am curious
higher average score than you
Oh ok ty. Not that much difference tho and his arguments above are even more confusing then
Comparative setting compares to the average person. Linear, on the other hand, ranks people from best to worst based on 100% as the best player.
dosent matter as long as you compare two ppl using the same setting
and imo the Comparative one is more useful to gauge someone
Fair enough.
What makes you say that?
For me, the problem with comparitive is that it effectively gives ~98% to anyone above a certain threshold. Pretty useless if you ask me.
bc seeing how someone does compared to the average of the community is more interesting to me
That’s fine, but I must say that the average war thunder player is quite abysmal.
Anyone remotely good and the comparitive rating starts to become irrelevant.
They’re still quite usable, but I get your point.
Just use them to cause them to dodge.
Iglas will miss front-aspect because IRCCM missiles struggle when aircraft pre-flare front-aspect.
The AH-1Z’s 20mm shoots 750 rounds per minute, whereas the Ka-50’s 30mm shoots at 546 rounds per minute.
So yes there is a difference (37% increase in firerate).
However, the firerate of the 20mm doesn’t really matter when its effective range is much less than that of the 30mm. You can spray and spray and nothing will connect until the plane is already shooting at you.
I can’t say the same with that of the Ka-50’s 30mm.
And when you do hit, the 30mms do a lot of damage.
12 grams of TNT for the 20mm, but an incredible 75 grams of TNT for the 30mm.
Now let’s say you want to take the AP belt for the AH-1Z and APDS for the Kamov:
From 1030 m/s → 1030m/s from 20mm HE to 20mm AP (no change in muzzle velocity).
But an incredible 960 m/s → 1120m/s from 30mm HE to 30mm APDS.
You’re effectively a long-range laser with the APDS belt, and 30mm APDS against aircraft is still devastating since it can easily shred through wings and fuselages.
Trust me, it’s underwhelming.
Think about it as if you’re shooting an Aim-9L going 100km/h against a plane ( that you’re trying to shoot in rear-aspect) going 1000km/h.
The missile won’t catch up unless you shoot it exactly when the plane passes you.
Good luck shooting the Aim-9M in front aspect though, since like with the Iglas, front-aspect pre-flaring will cause IRCCM missiles to miss 9 times out of 10.
Just think about it as a forcefield around your helicopter that is immune to all IR-guided missiles (including that of the IRIST). Though this forcefield has some blind spots (at the top of the heli and at the bottom).
I can get behind that, yeah.
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Ah thanks, I’ve never really used anything aside from looking at StatShark for a couple of things.
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You could give the AH-1W / AH-1Z their APDS too.
Or the later Mk. 244, and 224 Mod 0 APDS for even further improved performance.
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I am 2,98% better than you! 🤓
*on thunderskill