I think it could be fair, given the ability for aircraft to be able to destroy them.
It was fine even when they had 0 zero damage and aaa was pure visual. Usefull alarm bell for heli. But recon drones made it useless (constant false alarm) and gajin delete aaa for some reason instead of making them not react to drones.
1 Like
Yes I recall, but it was a generic blanket system. I’m talking about a genuine Gepard or something that isn’t proxy, and or flak. It only engages if you get close to the heli pads.
Helis should have this protection to begin with, screw the plane cas mains.
I hate not being able to fly my heli just due to the fact I know some prick in a plane will come shoot me down immediately. Regardless of br.
This would also ward off things like z-19E helipad campers
1 Like
Also this, they need to make recon drones brittle. They’re too tanky, and a plastic drone may somewhat damage a helicopters top rotor, but good luck completely taking down a helo with a recon drone irl.
2 Likes
They’re too inconsistent when shooting at them with proxy shells / missiles too.
1 Like
Man, you have all the tools to dispose of jets at top tier. It isn’t necessary. Autocannons, thermals, radars, RWR, air-to-air missiles. You are a mobile fortress, a little bit of awareness is all it takes to not die to a jet in top tier.
And I am someone who mains the UHT, the worst top tier helicopter in game, and the Mi-28 certainly doesn’t need any help in that regard.
i am actually questioning if we play the same game rn
there are maps where it is not possible to avoid aircraft and on most other maps only 1 or 2 of the points actually have descent cover against them.
if you mean high tier like 9-11 then sure but after that you are just wrong
any component pilot can avoid all anti air and/or kill them even the new ones
also thermals really?
“oh wow i can see the missile and plane as it obliterates me”
a lot of auto cannons in game are missing the rounds that might help them fight against air targets
and air-to-air is not a good argument when people are talking about GROUND BATTLES
you must be rage baiting or am worried about your intelligence
4 Likes
I like the Ka-50 it’s my irl favorite helo, but it’s non gimbaled 30mm makes it tough to touch planes sometimes.
The iglas are crap. I won’t go further on that.
The Vikhirs are decent but easy to over g.
Other helis like the AH-1Z have aim-9ms and a gimaled (20mm)? And is a bit better in that role
It all depends on the helo. I don’t see it to be a big problem. Planes get spaa, so should helicopters
A lot of the new aams are very powerful and typically never miss helis unless they are physically on the ground.
2 Likes
The KA-50 has a gimbled 30mm, though its gimbal limit is less than those found on chin-mounted guns (because KA-50’s 30mm is on its side).
The igals are decent for what they are.
They are abysmal if they are aware of it, but can be pretty good if they are distracted or don’t have enough energy to move out of the way.
Yes, Vikhirs are great if they are slow or are distracted (like with Iglas), but you can more easily cause them to disengage with a barrage of Vikhirs than with Iglas (if they so happen to pre-flare).
Not sure if the AH-1Z is better to be honest.
Even though the AH-1Z’s 20mm chaingun is chin-mounted (thus having very good gimbal limit), the damage and firerate is quite lackluster, and so you more often than not do little to no damage, or just trade kills with the incoming plane.
The Aim-9Ms being pretty useless against most aspects (pre-flaring is a thing) other than when they go right past the helicopter at relatively slow speeds that allows for close-range rear-aspect shot (imagine shooting an Aim-9M at a plane going Mach while only going 100km/h – it’s practically not going to hit).
Better example of a good A-2-A helicopter would be something like the Mi-28NM, and especially the Z-10(A) / Z-10ME.
Yes.
Low tier helis really struggle against aircraft, so I could see maybe M163s near helipads as a good addition for those BRs.
Yes, but at the same time, heli pad is much closer to the battlefield, and much easier for helis to camp around and still affect ground battle, unlike for planes.
I think AI gepards for top tier helis would be nice, but most top tier helis can usually trade with gun-strafing planes, or would die regardless of an AAA addition due to laser / TV guided AGMs.
Depends on the SAM and what heli you’re in.
Right now, I think all top tier non-LDIRCM helis are severely suffering from Type 81, Strela, and most of the top tier multi-SAMs (especially the IRIST) as well as the top tier SACLOS missile SPAAs.
They should move those SPAAs up to 12.3 or 12.7 to reduce the compression around that BR range.
But with LDIRCM helis (and their effective ranges), only the SACLOS missile SPAAs are truly a threat (unless you start ballooning).
The BUK missile and the CAMM-ER spammers both missing against helis multipathing 9 times out of 10, and probably missing their missiles 8/10 times when heli is notching and chaffing while ballooning.
Is that so?
um…?
me:
you:
we are about the same so we are both bad i guess
we should no longer talk on this matter
1 Like
Most people can see Vikhirs coming though, and iglas are so bad. I fired some the other day, and irccm on them seems to be not working, because nearly touching a plane, it dropped one flare and missed.
The 30mm is powerful, but the AH-1Z fires quicker, and I have yet to use the Aim-9M on the 1Z, but I feel like it has to be far better, soon I’ll be able to test it.
The only advantage the Mi-28nm has over the AH-1Z is likely the radar, and the bigger cannon, but for an spaa role, fire rate would be better.
In terms of plane / ground spaa. It doesn’t seem to matter the helicopter, they all get destroyed.
I’m not sure how the Ldirecm works but people keep bringing it up.
Lastly, the spaa should be placed between the helipads that way it’s comfortably covering both without covering the battlefield. They could so be destroyable. It would be nice for bigger maps though, yet most people complain about that, and I disagree. The maps 100% need to be increased by at least 15% size.
With the ability for the spaa to attempt to intercept incoming plane launched aams with its cannons.
2 Likes
Quick question what tool are you using for those stats?
Sorry if thunder skill is unleliable or something i just found a random site.
I was just curious about how much expiriance someone who was talking that much bullshit had and i have not used those sites before
it is becasue it only takes the stats from ppl into account that actively allow it
meanwhile statshark uses the whole playerbase, which results in a way better sample size
Oh good to know can you cheack itsonyy there then. I am curious
higher average score than you
Oh ok ty. Not that much difference tho and his arguments above are even more confusing then
Comparative setting compares to the average person. Linear, on the other hand, ranks people from best to worst based on 100% as the best player.