The MI28NM problem

[rainy2000]

I’d be interested with the HE-VT.

ATAS buff would affect all other vehicles that use it.
Not sure if that will cause any balancing issues, but could be a good change. TY-90s have been relatively well-balanced now, so I’d be optimistic. It would kinda make Chinese Helis somewhat inferior though.

Proxy for the JAGMs would be nice but it isn’t necessary.
Even without proxy, JAGMs are arguably the best anti-heli AGM for helis currently.
And, unless the planes are coming straight at you, they won’t be too useful against jets.

The proxy APKWS doesn’t seem to be that useful for the AH-64E to be honest, especially because they aren’t very maneuverable.
Maybe useful for the lower BR helis that only have access to hellfires though.

[MotorolaCRO]

@rainy2000

I think SEP is generally better than 2A6, but there is quite a significant difference between any of the Leclercs and the 11.7 / 12.0 Abrams.

I think not as Leclercs look to be very neck and neck with 2A6, which is a vehicle that’s deserving of 12.0 as it is.

@rainy2000

Mostly agree, though SAL can still be more useful than IR just because you can switch targets, have more accuracy, and start causing interceptions against Multi-SAMs without needing to first expose yourself.

True, but the lack of radar signature helicopters give out and now with DIRCM being in the game, our new AAs are mostly useless against the best helicopters.

@rainy2000

In general, yes.
Though if we decompress helis and SPAA, Ka-52 would still be very strong.

Imagine getting a decompression where all vehicles are viable, but I don’t think you’ll see that in WT.

@rainy2000

Not really sure what you mean here?
If you mean that they were very problamatic ( were a pain to deal, not to use), then I agree with you.

Yeah, pain to deal with as AAs often could just look at the helicopter mauling their entire team without having any options to shoot it down.

Helicopters are often either totally useless or too strong as Gaijin struggles to balance them properly.

@rainy2000

I guess we’ll see.

2A6NL is now almost a year old vehicle and it’s stats aren’t any better than those of Leclercs’.
NL additions still perform better than German counterparts, which is to be expected though.

[MotorolaCRO]

@HondaCivici

Competitive yes however it doesn’t blow the Leclers out of the water as mentioned with the many of disadvantageous before

Neck and neck with Leclercs but latter one still has significantly more games played. Doesn’t make sense in a system where more games = better vehicle.

@HondaCivici

Your premise is weak.

Meanwhile you’re using Reddit of all things to prove something.

[ARK_BOI]

Behold mister Guru of helicopter know all how it performs while barely touch any heli lol
fking laughable.

[rainy2000]

@MotorolaCRO

I think not as Leclercs look to be very neck and neck with 2A6, which is a vehicle that’s deserving of 12.0 as it is.

If we both agree that the M1A2 SEP is better than the Leclerc and 2A6, and that the difference in capabilities between the Leclerc and the SEP is significant, I can’t see why there can’t be a 0.3 BR difference.
If anything, the SEP (and other similarly-capable MBTs) should go up in BR, not the Leclerc going down in BR.

@MotorolaCRO

True, but the lack of radar signature helicopters give out and now with DIRCM being in the game, our new AAs are mostly useless against the best helicopters.

Radar signature still exists, especially for powerful radars like with the BUK. You can kill them pretty easily if they are not chaffing / multi-pathing.
LDIRCM affects only IR missile SPAAs, like the IRIST, so stuff like the Pantsir, ITO, ADATS etc… can still be a threat.
Pantsirs can often catch you out before you even shoot off a couple IR missiles, especially at ~6km and closer. You can of course shoot them off further away, but that just gives them more time to intercept them too. You kinda have to balance your range to make it practical. 6-9km are the distances away I usually stay at. Maybe closer (3/4km) if the map is mountainous and I can abuse spawn-camping SPAAs’ lack of LOS on my position.

Laser-guided JAGMs, for example, can just be fired off without direct LOS, so you can fool them into shooting those instead of focusing on your helicopter, effectively depleting them of their ordnance without having to expose yourself at all. If they notice that you’re just shooting laser-guided ATGMs, you can still kill them if they remain in an exposed position.

Some SPAA players are smart enough to get behind cover, and peak the other side of a building once you fire off your IR missiles at them. The IR missiles would lose track and then miss, so they would still be able to engage if necessary.
With laser-guided missiles, you can simply switch to the correct position before they impact.

@MotorolaCRO

Imagine getting a decompression where all vehicles are viable, but I don’t think you’ll see that in WT.

@MotorolaCRO

Yeah, pain to deal with as AAs often could just look at the helicopter mauling their entire team without having any options to shoot it down.

Agreed.

@MotorolaCRO

Helicopters are often either totally useless or too strong as Gaijin struggles to balance them properly.

Definitely too strong before. Now I think quite a lot of them are too useless. 😅
Can’t rely on Gaijin to fix the BRs of anything properly…

@MotorolaCRO

2A6NL is now almost a year old vehicle and it’s stats aren’t any better than those of Leclercs’.
NL additions still perform better than German counterparts, which is to be expected though.

Yeah, maybe they’re similar in general performance.
In urban maps, I think Leclercs will generally do better; however, in hilly maps I think the 2A6NL will generally do better. It really depends on the situation.

That being said, I think a French SEP would do much better than the Leclercs.

[J_ackal]

[Nounejm]

Woah, woah, slow down there, buster. One whole kill with a tank? Are you insane?

[БрИт4нСкUй_П0дС0С]

@Nounejm_

One whole kill with a tank?

Zero kills better?

[J_ackal]

Died to a leopard as per usual

[AlvisWisla]

Dang, I was told AGM-114s were bad.
Yet here’s a record of someone in a particularly good match.
Vikhrs and AGM-114s might be worse than F&F missiles for survivability against top SPAA, but that doesn’t mean they’re unusable when the match is just right.

[Nounejm]

Why are some of them blank?

[Ghost_of_TelAviv]

Thats fake, Hellfires are useless as i hear here every day.

[БрИт4нСкUй_П0дС0С]

@AlvisWisla

Dang, I was told AGM-114s were bad.

They are good only because teapache has starstreak that cover agm-114 weaknesses. Any other non f&f apache are trash. Although in this patch, teapache has become trash too.

@Nounejm_

Why are some of them blank?

starstreak

[J_ackal]

I wonder what other fake missile they’ll add to the ka52m

[kosthar4uk]

[celtic_001]

I don’t think they have IIR modeled in the game. They just give the missiles a tiny FOV and tracking suspension IRCCM instead of modeling the IIR. I’m not an expert, but I believe IIR works by creating a sort of image with heat signatures, so the missile can tell if a certain heat signature is a flare, a plane, or a laser being shot at it from a DIRCM system. Also, these missiles can use contrast locks. The AIM-9X that shot down that Chinese spy balloon a while back used the contrast of heat signatures in the sky, rather than locking onto a specific heat signature.

[J_ackal]

Now we are gaming

I hope they give it quad racks next update

[ItsOnyy]

Balanced game.

[ItsOnyy]

I am still mad at the fact that it’s been over a year, and they are still sitting on the Stinger buffs, there is zero excuses for it now that DLIRCCM is a thing.

[tripod2008]

@ItsOnyy

there is zero excuses for it now that DLIRCCM is a thing

Don’t forget the Contrast Seeker mode bypasses LDIRCM wholesale, so it’s got further implications. Considering many nations have FIM-92B or later variant equipt vehicles it would provide said capability to most nations.