A banlist, but for countries. So you can’t get them in your games. Neato.
Leclerc is slightly worse in general in my opinion, but yeah.
Hull-down mobile 2A5 / 2A6 is very oppresive.
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It also doesn’t get turret baskets (French bias confirmed).
2A7 is better straight up, no questions about it.
I’d say something like SEP is slightly better than Leclercs (and thus 2A6 as well).
Manually guided missiles are becoming less and less useful by each update, so I’d say Ka-50 might actually be a better choice nowadays than Ka-52, solely because of it’s BR.
Hellfire slingers were a pain at one point in the past, just look at G-LYNX before where it was clubbing on IR SAMs. Helicopters need decompression, just like tanks.
I think 64E is more than fine with it’s 16x JAGMs that can overwhelm and dry out multiple AAs out of their missiles in like a minute. Giving them any more killing potential would make it incredibly busted.
I’m glad France received Leopards, so now we can gauge the skill level of French players against German ones, and we can also see how Leclercs compare to Leopards. They seem to be pretty on par all things considered.
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Yeah there is plenty, it’s basically the equivalent of Spike, it works the same, but it’s mostly made to target structures and infantry because of its high explosive warhead. But how it works in-game is completely fictitious, I don’t think it can lock targets the way it does in game.
Common occurrence with IR missiles we have in the game.
Most traditional IR weapons in game work fairly accurate like they do in real life.
As far I know, Spike and LMUR work completely different to everything we got in game. They are NLOS IIR missiles and are meant to be used (and guided) in a completely different way to how they work in game. If they did, they would be many times stronger than they currently are.
I’m asking if LOBL is accurate for LMUR and to an extent Spikes.
True, same problem would be had if Gaijin allowed IR and GNSS to work together as that would basically be LOAL.
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Competitive yes however it doesn’t blow the Leclers out of the water as mentioned with the many of disadvantageous before
I haven’t seen a single person say that they don’t play it or want to get it because it isn’t unique, it’s because it sucks. I’m thinking of making a poll here as well to get a better demographic but it’d be no shock if people says the same thing
If there was a Ka52 in the US TT, I wouldn’t be surprised if people play it more than the 64D, why? because there’s there’s no trade off and it does everything the 64D can do and better by a large margin.
Your premise is weak.
We’ll see how long that will last 😅
I think SEP is generally better than 2A6, but there is quite a significant difference between any of the Leclercs and the 11.7 / 12.0 Abrams.
All the Leclercs should be 0.3 BR lower than the 11.7 / 12.0 Abrams – at least the 12.0 ones.
Mostly agree, though SAL can still be more useful than IR just because you can switch targets, have more accuracy, and start causing interceptions against Multi-SAMs without needing to first expose yourself.
In general, yes.
Though if we decompress helis and SPAA, Ka-52 would still be very strong.
Not really sure what you mean here?
If you mean that they were very problamatic ( were a pain to deal, not to use), then I agree with you.
No reason why the XM975 / Flarakpanzer 1 had to deal with 16x Hellfires + Great Thermals and Zoom + IRST Lock at 10.3 with the YAH-64. Or G-LYNX / Z-19E at 9.7 and 10.3 respectively.
Or the Mi-28A at 10.0 and Ka-50 at 10.7.
Now most hellfire helis are overtiered.
The non-hellfire helis are mostly fine (except most early F&Fs like the Tiger UHT and maybe now the Israeli AH-60)
Agreed.
Yes. My only issues with the AH-64E is that it has little to no useful A2A capabilities (except against helis, in which I’d say it’s the best), and its climb rate / maneuverability is quite lackluster compared to Mi-28NM and Z-10ME.
I guess we’ll see.
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For Heli launched spikes yes, as it’s a choice between EO, LOAL and LOBL, we only have LOBL in game currently.
The best example of spike is the NLOS model (as opposed to the ERs we have in game), which has 25km range and has the personnel guided mode you mentioned
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At this point take your pick, there are many “potential” ways to resolve this and Gaijin picked exactly none so far;
- JAGM Missing Height of Burst (proximity) fuse
- LW30 (X)M1121 HE-VT for AH-64E
- AH-64E Slew ATAS to sensor LOS prior to launch
- AH-64E access to later Stinger variants for ATAS / ATAL
- Accurate limits for FIM-92 maneuverability
- Photo-Contrast range extension for POST seeker FIM-92
- FIM-92 Stinger have incorrect lock range
Edit:
Forgot one.
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I’d be interested with the HE-VT.
ATAS buff would affect all other vehicles that use it.
Not sure if that will cause any balancing issues, but could be a good change. TY-90s have been relatively well-balanced now, so I’d be optimistic. It would kinda make Chinese Helis somewhat inferior though.
Proxy for the JAGMs would be nice but it isn’t necessary.
Even without proxy, JAGMs are arguably the best anti-heli AGM for helis currently.
And, unless the planes are coming straight at you, they won’t be too useful against jets.
The proxy APKWS doesn’t seem to be that useful for the AH-64E to be honest, especially because they aren’t very maneuverable.
Maybe useful for the lower BR helis that only have access to hellfires though.
I think not as Leclercs look to be very neck and neck with 2A6, which is a vehicle that’s deserving of 12.0 as it is.
True, but the lack of radar signature helicopters give out and now with DIRCM being in the game, our new AAs are mostly useless against the best helicopters.
Imagine getting a decompression where all vehicles are viable, but I don’t think you’ll see that in WT.
Yeah, pain to deal with as AAs often could just look at the helicopter mauling their entire team without having any options to shoot it down.
Helicopters are often either totally useless or too strong as Gaijin struggles to balance them properly.
2A6NL is now almost a year old vehicle and it’s stats aren’t any better than those of Leclercs’.
NL additions still perform better than German counterparts, which is to be expected though.
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Neck and neck with Leclercs but latter one still has significantly more games played. Doesn’t make sense in a system where more games = better vehicle.
Meanwhile you’re using Reddit of all things to prove something.
Behold mister Guru of helicopter know all how it performs while barely touch any heli lol
fking laughable.
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If we both agree that the M1A2 SEP is better than the Leclerc and 2A6, and that the difference in capabilities between the Leclerc and the SEP is significant, I can’t see why there can’t be a 0.3 BR difference.
If anything, the SEP (and other similarly-capable MBTs) should go up in BR, not the Leclerc going down in BR.
Radar signature still exists, especially for powerful radars like with the BUK. You can kill them pretty easily if they are not chaffing / multi-pathing.
LDIRCM affects only IR missile SPAAs, like the IRIST, so stuff like the Pantsir, ITO, ADATS etc… can still be a threat.
Pantsirs can often catch you out before you even shoot off a couple IR missiles, especially at ~6km and closer. You can of course shoot them off further away, but that just gives them more time to intercept them too. You kinda have to balance your range to make it practical. 6-9km are the distances away I usually stay at. Maybe closer (3/4km) if the map is mountainous and I can abuse spawn-camping SPAAs’ lack of LOS on my position.
Laser-guided JAGMs, for example, can just be fired off without direct LOS, so you can fool them into shooting those instead of focusing on your helicopter, effectively depleting them of their ordnance without having to expose yourself at all. If they notice that you’re just shooting laser-guided ATGMs, you can still kill them if they remain in an exposed position.
Some SPAA players are smart enough to get behind cover, and peak the other side of a building once you fire off your IR missiles at them. The IR missiles would lose track and then miss, so they would still be able to engage if necessary.
With laser-guided missiles, you can simply switch to the correct position before they impact.
Agreed.
Definitely too strong before. Now I think quite a lot of them are too useless. 😅
Can’t rely on Gaijin to fix the BRs of anything properly…
Yeah, maybe they’re similar in general performance.
In urban maps, I think Leclercs will generally do better; however, in hilly maps I think the 2A6NL will generally do better. It really depends on the situation.
That being said, I think a French SEP would do much better than the Leclercs.
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Woah, woah, slow down there, buster. One whole kill with a tank? Are you insane?
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Zero kills better?
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Died to a leopard as per usual