We are talking about helis without drcm or whatever its called though.
But yes, Mi28 is definitely not immune to iris, i died myself multiple times to it.
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You don’t have a single helicopter with kill/spawn ≥ 1…
It doesn’t, it mostly works works when facing the incoming missile, attacking it from the sides or above it a guarantee kill if the pilot is busy searching for targets.
Meanwhile Z10ME and AH64E is truly 360, i’ve launched Spikes and Lmurs from above them, and even at a near 80 degrees descent from the top, the DIRCM on both of them make the missiles go zoom to the side.
Edit: For some reason, Sky Saber missiles completely ignore the DIRCM of the MI28NM in all angles, and multipathing doesn’t work for it
Alr this made me laugh but,
we are just going in circles and ending up with a key game mechanic being broken like radars for this example.
But then if it wouldn’t detect you through trees and the IRIS-T could visible see you, bro would get mad fast since you could just hover there and wait for your moment to shine.
I just got the UHT for germany and AH-64D sucks.
Why would DIRCM work on a radar missile?
100% not. My IRIS T SLM is not able to realiably shoot down MI28s even if the missile lofts correctly
Ah, my apologies, i was confused the Spyder with the Sky Saber becausei was first hit by the spider but died to the Sky Saber, skill issue on my part for not checking :(
Still, the MI28MN DIRCM is very inconsistent, sometimes it works wonders, others it feels you are playing a flareless heli, while that of the other helis seems to be a 360 degrees and over 90% accuracy on stopping IR missiles
Genuine question: Have you played the other 2 helis or played against them in a top tier IR SPAA? Because it might just be confirmation bias based on the fact that theres about 128 million more MI28NMs flying around than 64Es and Z10s simply due to grind and playerbase sizes. In my experience with the SLM they all feel similar however i could be wrong as well since i mostly see MI28s as well.
haha i love bullying mi28s with my sergeant york (i got touched by a kh38 shortly after taking down 2 mi28s)
z10 gets min 18 missiles “irst,aim120, aim9x” and all missed… really balanced… gaijin added this spaas to counter cas abd no doing this with some helis immune to this type of spaa missiles gg…
I’m biased in favor of the Japanese and Chinese tech trees, I also love USA and its tech tree.
Those are my biases, and I do a decent job putting them aside during analysis.
Of course your next post defends Russian equipment…
Ka-52, Apache, Rooivalk are not meta helicopters.
2S38 is 10.3, and isn’t meta at its BR let alone good at 12.0. Sprut-M is better than it at 10.3 and at 11.0 onward, and that also isn’t as good as HSTVL, VT-5, RDF/LT, and CV90120 for 12.0.
Su-30SM, F-15E, etc hasn’t been meta ever since SLM was introduced, and now there are 4 others + a bit of CLAWS that make fixed-wing CAS even less powerful.
Kh-38ML is superior in-game to Kh-38MT, and GROM 2 is better to both in survivability of the aircraft compared to effectiveness.
T-80BVM fired “the third worst round” [that is quoting someone else’s terminology], lacks some of the mobility of NATO MBTs despite it and other over-performing compared to real life.
T-90M is superior on-paper, but War Thunder is still mobility meta currently so it’s a bit inferior to T-80U.
The funniest thing is your post at the end claims JAGM wasn’t built.
AH-64E has not been nerfed in any way.
The Kh-38MT topic was vulgar and insulting for hundreds of posts rather than being on-topic like the rest of us.
That is why it was closed, and it was never made private.
This is a game limitation, no missile in-game has this feature because it doesn’t exist in-game in general.
I only mentioned Ka-52 and Mi-28NM, I don’t know where you got the rest.
Ka-52 and Mi-28NM both have Vikhrs that were and still are the strongest command guided missiles in the game.
I only mentioned Su-30SM here, …
Spam of 6 Kh-38MT is unbeatable by ANYTHING
USSR tanks stink and have unrealistic ERA giving them benefits. They sure have weak darts, but they get HE, guided rockets and more. If you have strong armor but weak darts then that’s your issue, why should others be limited by it?
The ones in the game weren’t, there was no IR or SAL only JAGM. JAGMs were ofc built and are still used.
This is my bad, I forgot to mention “in-game” but thank you.
People want proof, I don’t know about Gaijin publishing their sources yet but they want at least 3 when something should be changed.
There are IR + IOG + GNSS weapons that seem complex. This was said to be impossible “due to game limitations”. Better Hellfire trajectory change was said to be impossible “due to game limitations”, then LMURs rolled out and showed a perfect flight.
By what you said, I think you either like to rage bait or have very low awareness about what’s going on in the game right now.
Yea and now it’s the other way around, he waits until you pop up, presses a button and you die in your heli without beeing able to do anything about it, except on certain maps with terrain masking.
Which was cheap af to spawn, but still way more expensive than the SPAA.
@Nounejm
Ka-52 has only SACLOS guided missiles, so it can only be compared to other SACLOS and laser guided helicopters otherwise I’d be doing a false equivalence.
Su-30SM reigned the skies with F-15E, F-16C, Rafale, Mirage 2000D RMV, and Su-34. It was not alone, it had plenty of help from other tech trees in oppressing teams [though not helping in winning due to spawn cost].
In-game the best ERA of Soviet tanks offer at most 54mm of protection per layer when flat. So unless you’re claiming the ERA is under-performing, it obviously is not over-performing.
T-90M is the only tank in the Soviet tech tree with armor that gets near [is still not equivalent to] Strv 122s.
T-80BVM’s armor profile is not even top 10. It as a tank might be top ten, but not its armor. BVM is carried by good players and mobility.
1- Those weapons can’t use GNSS prior to launch, unlike laser munitions.
2- False equivalence. Even if it wasn’t, the way multi-mode missiles work is inherently different to GNSS backup when lock is lost.
3- This was never said to be impossible.
Also stop thinking NATO players have it out against you or others.
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I don’t think there’s a point in keeping this conversation going. From my point of view, you seem very unaware about what’s going on.
The JAGM is about twice the speed of a Spike missile. It’s an okay speed with an okay warhead. Less than a Hellfire, but it’s fine.
The LMUR is 0.9 Mach and can kill nearly every tank regardless of where it hits, AND it’s perfectly top down, unlike the Hellfire, JAGM, and Spike.
The JAGM is a slight improvement over the Spike ATGM, while the LMUR is basically a helicopter KH38T with top-down capability. It’s a whole different level of power creep.
As cool as these weapon systems are, they are very unfair from a balance perspective. It’s particularly frustrating when Gaijin intentionally made the Spike useless and mocked it on the Namer devblog while the Russians get to have a flawless 8x nuke dispenser.
So it would be fair if you get 16 JAGM’s that do the same damage as LMUR ?
Since we are talking about fairness, when does russia get something f&f capable on ground units ?
You and I both know that is not how it works. Two JAGMs per target don’t guarantee a kill even if both hit. A single LMUR does.
When the LMUR would reasonably have equivalents on the battlefield. As it stands, Russia has the best CAS missile on both Jets and Helicopters now. They’ve also got the technical best SPAA in the game, miles ahead of SPAA like the SPYDER, which they have refused to give a competitive missile to for “Balance Reasons”.
There’s a time and a place for additions. The JAGM and LMUR aren’t equals, even if you compare two JAGMs to a single LMUR.
It already does. But you are just into double standards, i see.
Even a LAV-AD is ahead of the Spyder, what a great comparison.
What are you talking about LMUR has 0.9M and JAGM has 340 m/s, go convert that.
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No. Russia is a favorite top tier of mine. It genuinely pains me seeing the absolutely horrific gap between a nation like Israel, which has the only proven F&F in-game as useless garbage, while the LMUR is a 0.9-mach laser beam.
What? The SPYDER is the same BR as the BUK. Even when comparing the SLAAMRAAM, IRIS-T, or Sky Sabre, the BUK remains significantly more capable. You can’t exactly ignore the BUK’s 30 G missile that can pull entire 180’s (for some reason) while having 70km effective range.
Ah. I accidentally mixed up Km/h and M/s unintentionally. I’m not sure why Gaijin has them written down differently.
I am unsure why they are written down differently.