more like years (about five years maybe)
I would like to see no Clickbaits in my 13.0 battle, but since gaijin added 12.3 premium hornet, I can’t do that anymore. You see, not all of our wishes come true. :D
The logical conclusion here (judging the Actual performance of the heli and it’s missiles) is to look at the amount of missiles fired to obtain a kill, in some cases that’ll be one, whereas in others (SPIKEs, JAGMs) that can range between 1-4.
If you can’t see the reasoning here then I don’t know what to tell you besides the fact that you are relatively unintelligent.
Using K/Ds doesn’t evaluate the performance of the vehicle in war thunder, it simply judges the skill of it’s player, and there have been hundreds of posts/tests to show this, recently one where someone compared all variants of copy paste vehicles, and it so turns out that those better K/Ds came from nations with a higher percentile of veteran players.
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Yes that is what i was getting at. The stats right now are of course not the full picture since the update only dropped at the 23rd but it gives sneak peek into whats to come.
Im not sure if the US will drop since a lot of the 64Es at the moment could be wallet warriors. Russia and China will probably go up since its the first full month with the new AGMs
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That logic probably far too complex to some stats cult around here that think stats telling all aspect of vehicle performance (some of them don’t even have the vehicle they’re talking about)
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There is a valid poin here… looking at all the Leo 2/F-16/MiG-29 variants across the nations. But here we dont compare a “copy-paste” vehicles.
And TBF the K/D isn’t the most definitive metric, but offten is used to blame some (russian) vehicle of been OP or not. Now to don’t use it, becous it prove that others are also capable (maybe even more then the russian) is a bit sus…
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Apache 130k kills , MI28 800k, now take a moment and process this
In a thread about discussing and evaluating the performance of a heli, i don’t get where player statistics comes into the mix, like no one is complaining about the people flying the NM, the issue resides in it’s inherently unbalanced missile and defensive suite.
Apologists will pull nearly any logical fallacy or midwit stat to try and claim otherwise, so they can keep enjoying their OP heli 🤷♂️
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10 people ate 20 apples from a basket, 2 people ate 4. Each person ate 2 apples. Are you saying that those 10 people are fuller?
Dude, do you not understand how numbers work or something?
The update released on 23rd September. The Mi-28NM stats posted above are from 1st September to 30th September so three-quarters of that time was spent without the LMUR, yet it still has a K/D almost on par with the AH-64E. AH-64E stats start from 23rd September since it didn’t exist in-game before.
The Mi-28NM K/D would be a lot higher than the AH-64E if the stats above started from 23rd September for it too.
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Eh player statistics still play a role, because they show how accessible a vehicle is. If a vehicle does extremely well and has a high playrate its a sure sign that its broken since its strong and easy to use
because they are stats cultish any discussion about vehicle performance there going to be like “but stats telling us that it had low stats so it much be bad”
what funny is some of them don’t have such vehicle they’re talking but act like they know all because of stats telling them that.
it does yes but not tell all aspect of vehicle performance
for example, if you look all time stats between similar vehicle like 2S38 vs Strf 9040C you see what i’m talking about.
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It’s a telltale sign of a meta or OP vehicle correct, however that is diminished when it is massively popular, since metawhores will flock to it and dminish the stats.
And this is a thesis I’ve been touting for ages, that when a vehicle is extremely easy (AH-64E) or OP (28NM), then bad players will prioritise grinding it out, and as a result feeding statshark imperfect information.
Yet another reason why I tend to disregard stats when it comes to the balancing of individual vehicles, while they are more valid for balancing by BR, if you catch my drift
I know what youre getting at but i think at least for the big 3 nations player stats give a good glimpse into what vehicles are just straight up stronger. And if a vehicle has a big increase in players but its stats stay similar its also a good sign that its too strong. But ofc objective comparison of the vehicles itself is the best but its impossible to discuss on this forum.
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*forget what i said, i misunderstood some things lol
It possible with normal people not with stats cult that anything relates to vehicles performance to them all decide by number of stats funny that sometimes they don’t admit something when stats telling them exactly what it is.
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Id personally put myself into the stat cult , I just really like statistics. But other than those guys I am aware that stats are useless without context
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what do you need one for? Find it yourself.
I’m not your butler, you’re trying to prove things to me, and others. Prove it, or it didn’t happen
There’s nothing to prove. You’ve never seen a 19 kill game before? You’re weird.