Devs just should change br of new helicopters and most new spaa to 13.0. This will solve most of the problems.
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It would alleviate the balance problem but not solve the gross misrepresentation of western AGMs and all LDIRCM
People ignoring Z-10ME from the start truly shows the boogeyman in the Forums, I’m not trying to say anything however a few mentions here and there as additional source reference is truly funny, given it has one of the best semi-automatic missiles, in my opinion the best anti-air missile carried by a helicopter and best effectiveness against radar-guided missiles and far lower signature, is funnny.
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Its pretty much the same reason why people dont complain about the AH64E as much. There are just a ton more MI28NM going around so they are a much bigger annoyance than the occasional Z10 or 64E.
No one complained in the past, because the really deadly heli missiles were not FnF.
With the new update the missile with the already highest TnT equiv. is also the only one with top attack, its mounted on a Heli with overperforming LDIRCM and its a modification in the most played tree instead of a new vehicle. Of course that will draw more Ire than the other 2 far less played helis. That will probably change as chinas popularity grows and more and more US players unlock the 64E but right now Top tier is full of MI28NMs.
no people were complaining about Z10ME (me included) because LDIRCM is just broken and instead acting as a “blind one missile at a time” it acts as a forcefield making vehicles like SLM be virtually useless.
Im not really sure what youre trying to say here.
My point was that in the past most helis had to direct one missile at a time which heavily impeded their destructive potential. And the ones that had FnF missiles had weak missiles and were not great defensively. Now we have highly capable FnF missiles on defensively capable platforms completely shaking up the balance once again
That people were complaining before, this isnt just the Mi28NM thing.
Well, weak as in the damage is all over the place, either getting lucky or not and requiring more missiles than helis with laser/beamriding missiles, yea
absolutely wrong, infact the FnF helicopters were the best helicopters defensively because of the ability to shoot and scoot, unlike laser helis that needed to remain within LOS for the entire time.
The affecting factor that made stuff like beamriding Vikhrs work extremely well “defensively” is that unlike hellfires you didnt have to guide the missiles for so long before impact (also the context of Pantsirs being most common SPAA spawned at the time while NATO often didnt even spawn SPAAs). Hellfires (unless using IOG which on helis is a hit or miss) needed full lock for prolonged periods of time.
So on scale of defensiveness FnF helis reigned supreme, followed by russian helicopters with fast beamriding missiles (and busted damage model + DIRCM but thats for another conversation) followed by everyone else with hellfires.
Yes.
yes and now helis can do the same while rocking LDIRCM and having better missiles which is the point i was trying to make
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And youre right in that currently the Mi28NM (the AH64E and Z10ME arent that scary from the FnF side, they are however scary from the LDIRCM side, in my opinion) is just busted.
But you downplaying FnF helis previously is just wrong, helis like HAD block 2, AH60, UHT, A129 were by far the best top tier helicopters, followed by Ka52 and Ka50, and then everything else.
They were very strong and a smart player was able to use them to good extent.
As an example:
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Im not saying that they were bad, im saying that compared to the new helis they were not extremely strong and they needed some kind of skill to be played effectively. The new helis do not, because they combine all the strenghts of the previous helis and put it into overdrive
Good balance and gross misrepresentation are much better than gross balance and good representation. It’s a game after all so the priority should be obvious.
True but atm we have neither
And Gaijin can always change BRs if theyre concerned with balance
balance the current situation and you basically get the best of both world
they very much do not, at least for JAGM in game they normally hit around 30 degrees when ILR they hit around 50 degrees
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It won’t change a damn thing. The Mi-28NM will still farm entire teams unchallenged at a higher BR. They need to fix the broken overperforming DIRCM, and equalize AA ammo reserve between nations cause it’s all over the place right now. Example being the Spyder with 8 missiles + 8 reserve versus the IRIS with 16 missiles + 16 reserve.
Or even sadder, the Elde 98 with 4 missiles + 4 reserve lol…
It’s just a mess.
The fact you’ll still get Mi-28NM apologists after they saw this screenshot tells you all you need to know. A sortie like that is virtually impossible to stop for the enemy team. Between the Mi-28NM being just a pain to kill and the amount of LMUR in the air at the same time, yeah. Good luck.
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even if you manually loft hellfires and fire on IOG before lasing as late as you can, hellfires will still not loft as high as LMUR and nowhere near as high as they should
Any evidence to back that up? And yes, that is possible, some games, people just don’t spawn spaa at all or cas
Helicopters are not nearly as bad as you let on.
Older ones are sure, but I’m talking like from the 1980s or older.
And most things that kills helis, and are the scariest thing to helis, is flak / auto cannons with no radar signature. A simple 40mm bofors can hide easily.