Most survivable heli is the top tier Chinese one lol.
WTH are you on about? KA-50 literally got added aside the adats to counter the KA-50, and the Ka-50 has plenty of counters.
Also LOL Vikhirs?? Maneuverable??? Pretty sure they only go up to 15gs now.
They also rebound very hard now, meaning a hard turn will often take it off course.
Delayed laser warning? What nonsense are you on about???
Proxy fuse is good if you fly in a straight line at the enemy. The atgm thruster is quite visible now.
A fix to the Vikhir would be nice, to be historically correct of 1000mm RHA instead of the 800mm that is in game, which is incorrect.
I dont mind the vikhr for its br it works for 11.3
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(srry abt brightness forgot to turn of my HDR)
Ou, I’m sooo sorry your weapons don’t live up to their historical capabilities. 😭🙏 That’s so saaaad, it’s not like NATO weapons would be lacking twice as much
Even without thermals, the KA-50 is still very strong at 11.3 to the point where it’s META in 11.3 Squadron Battles.
Squadron battles also comes with cooperative team so it’s cuts corners to Ka-50 biggest weakness detecting target or defending against AA.
That’s true though there’s ways to go about it.
Rocket pods + spectating are frequently used to find potential SPAAs where they most likely be (which is usually enemy spawn BTW).
GRB also allows free use of friendly enemy hit markers too.
You can also use your own intuition to find where enemies will most likely be.
Sure, these definitely don’t substitute for having thermals (in a lot of cases) but that’s the cost of having vikhirs + Ka-52 flight model + 550RPM 30mm APDS at such a low BR.
I rather just use Ka-50 for autocannon and rocket raids and use something else for ATGM that has optics, thermals and RWR than destroy my eyes trying to see something trough fog or smoke or anything else.
I mean, you can play how you want to… the Ka-50 is still worthy of 11.3 without thermals if that’s what you’re trying to say.
There is definitely better alternative than Ka-50 as ATGM carrier even in lower br.
Like what?
Mi-28N or Mi-8AMTSh-VN or Mi-35M
Mi-28N gets thermals and 4 more ATGMs but the ATGMs are much crappier – only 6km range, 550m/s, no proxy, worse TNT equiv, and only SACLOS.
Mi-35M is just the Mi-28N but sacrifices 8 ATAKAs, LWS, and 30mm for 4 Iglas, chin-mounted 23mm, and IRCM (which barely works to begin with). Definitely not worth it.
Mi-8AMTSH-VN has LDIRCM and thermals but much worse flight performance, no 30mm APDS (let alone a chin-mounted gun), and it gets only 8 ATAKA-1s, which are better than the regular ATAKAs (because they are beam-riding) but are still worse than the Vikhirs in every other way.
That is true Vikhr is far better than Ataka but proxy with range less practicaly useful than people think, TNT difference is noticable but all of them have thermals, zoom and L-150 which is more useful than what Vikhr has.
I think Vikhirs are much more versatile and useful. You can even kill planes and especially helicopters with Vikhirs unlike with ATAKAs.
The 10km max range isn’t really necessary in a lot of cases but it just means that you will have a lot more accurate ATGMs <6km than with ATAKAs. 600m/s also means you will get to the target a little bit quicker too.
12x Vikhirs is a lot better than 8x ATAKA-1s if you’re dealing with SPAAs too.
The only real problem with the Ka-50, though the Vikhirs + 30mm + flight model makes up for those flaws.
MI-35 doesn’t get L-150 from what I remember, and I would rather have a more basic RWR system for LWS anyways.
If there is no SPAA then I can agree that Mi-28’s 16x ATAKAs and thermals is probably better for attacking tanks but in general case, the Ka-50 is better (especially if you need to deal with helicopters, planes and with SPAAs).
Ataka can kill heli but it’s more complicated than with Vikhr in case of planes that is rarity most of them will have guided weapon to deal with you.
It’s more easier to use something with better zoom in close range rather than trying to guide missile trough terrible zoom and if will be map with a lot of obstacles that is even less useful.
Those 8 atakas comes with Igla and it more capable to shoot down plane than Vikhr.
Pretty much impossible at range if the helicopter is aware and tries dodging it, especially considering most helipads are >6km but <10km too.
That’s true, though that would be the case for any helicopter.
If it’s IR-guided missiles, the Mi-8 doesn’t have to worry about them, though the Ka-50, Mi-28N, and MI-35M all have enough flares to counter them.
The Ka-50 at least has the climb rate and maneuverability (compared to the Mi-28NM, Mi-35M and especially the Mi-8) to kinematically dodge Maverick Bs, though good luck dodging things like the AS-30Ls with any of them 😅
That’s true, but at the ranges we’re talking about (<6km) I can’t really see there being a huge issue.
Those 4x Iglas aren’t going to do much (they’re not TY-90s, that’s for sure) – I would rather have 12 Vikhirs for self-defence in a lot of cases, unless they missed their run and you are rear-aspect from them.
It was effective in 4km range even if heli tries to dodge it.
That would be useful if enemy player decides to launch maverick really good distance.
Igla can make them change directions.
It takes 10 seconds to reach the target more than enough for it to hide behind obstacle i rather use Ataka from 3-4 km.
For an 11.3 heli to be within 4km from you isn’t very likely, nor is it really impressive.
How far are you talking? I think a good Ka-50 pilot can dodge mavericks launched outside of ~4km.
That also means the enemy needs to dodge vikhirs and (potentially) 30mm APDS along the way.
That’s true, though that’s light work for something like the Mirage 2000DR1.
At 3/4km you’re food for most SPAAs, which isn’t very ideal.
Besides, you can do the exact same thing with the Ka-50 – and hey, the zoom would barely be a problem at 3km/4km anymore!