Damn I was memeing with the barely literate but it’s actually true lol.
I haven’t played rank 1 Germany since ground beta sorry that I’m not really interested in going back in time
We have a proper understanding of the problem, and we have expressed our concern with feedback on how it could be solved without making either party have power over the other.
You are hyperfixated on the notion that because IR missiles work differently from ARH, that there is nothing that can be done, when solutions have been proposed here and there that don’t make helicopters off-meta.
IRIS-T is a can of worms that Gaijin opened, and they have to fix it using player feedback.
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Your solutions don’t hold up against the complexity of FnF helicopters and jets. These SAMs were added to close the gap between ground and air, your “solution” is to simply use a worse and obsolete AAs which it is at best ItO/Flarakrad to counter a threat they simply can’t cope with anymore. I wouldn’t even dare to say ADATs because that’s just pointless to bring at 13.0.
You don’t have a true grasp over the situation and it shows.
Oh no, what could be added to other nations? Nothing, why do you think we skipped to multi vehicle SAMs? Western nations never spent time and resources into developing mobile SHORADS SPAAs like the East did.
The current SAMs we have are being held back immensely and are and would be fine, if Gaijin would for once model DLIRCM fairly and pulse Doppler radar returns to helicopters so that ARH missiles wouldn’t struggle against them as well, then we wouldn’t find ourselves in this situation in the first place.
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Was it that hard to adresse the problem instead of going after me for nothing
Let’s avoid any more insults and off-topics.
Thank you.
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Heli with IR missiles : 2x space
Look, we have this situation where helicopters are basically immune to all types of SAMs, ARH missiles struggle because they can’t hit hovering helicopters because PD returns from blades don’t exist, and IIR missiles like the ones on IRIS-T/AIM-9X/FB-10/SL IRIS-T are completely rendered useless as well because of a poorly implemented jank feature.
So just picture that scenario in your head, the only way to kill helicopters is by bringing an obsolete SPAA or spawning a 700 SP plane to strafe and launch laser missiles to shoot them down. There needs to be some semblance of counterplay here.
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Guys you have been told to calm it down if you want to move this to DMs you can, if not leave each other alone !
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Like UHT vs saclos for last few years?
And we shouldn’t make the same mistake again? This talking point is so disingenuous. That boat sailed long ago, we are in a new environment. Bringing up past traumas to justify something in the present is not a great argument.
I wasn’t even around when the UHT was added, I have no feelings about that past situation. Just what’s currently relevant to all of us.
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Agreed. That’s why we’re arguing in this thread.
The combination of helis with near immunity to AA + F&F is toxic to play against.
Bringing up past balance transgressions that none of us had power over doesn’t help anyone’s case.
We all want a fun game here.
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i think i am done here so good luck you guys, i dont wanna get muted for trying to explain myself like one time
THEY LOCK THE SAME RANGE YES, BUT THE LMURS REFUSE, AND I MEAN ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO LOCK PAST 5.0 MILES IN OPEN TERRAIN. Stop being so naive.
Btw, trying to use my argument in a different way than how it is, is just disingenuous.
and so do JAGMS, and I assume its the same for CK502 and BA11
stop acting like your absurdly OP missiles are worse than everything else
Stop acting like Russian weapons are an instant win button.
oh yes, lets just add a new AGM for russia
put it on a platform that is already over preforming with a defense system that magicaly uses a laser to defeat missiles through its airframe
make it the only helicopter launched missile with an actual lofting flight path
make sure it is the most meta warhead type
nerf tanks that it fights roof armor right after its added so it reliably kills everything it fights
give the helicopter twice as many of them as there is evidence for it carrying
… probably missed a few too
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