The MI28NM problem

-First of all, the new sams perfectly intercepts both kh38 and LMUR.
-Second. What kind of masochist do you have to be to see one player annihilating the entire team and not take any action?

And here the Russian nation is to blame, that people with new SAMs do not know how to distinguish where the AGM flying at them is, and where the enemy SAM missile spam is. I sat together with SAMPT for a while, and I saw how the players nearby were spamming missiles out of nowhere. And then they sat empty without ammunition. I understand that it is very difficult for them to look at the target’s distance, its speed, direction. You know, I am not surprised that you are farming so much kills. I have collected nuke twice with an Italian helicopter. Is it also very op? If It were Russian, you would clearly say that op. :)

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People are complaining about somehting else… flight path jagm vs lmur why does the russian have it implemented like it should while other nations don’t?
it makes lmurs have high kill rate while hellfires/jagm not …

Hey buddy read the title of the thread, thanks.

It was already underperforming before waaay the update, it’s about time it goes down to 12.0 again, or it should get extra PARS launchers so that it goes from 8 to 12 and receive LFK-NG as its new air-to-air missile as the devs have no intention to give its proposed 30mm chin mounted auto cannon.

It’s far from fair, but you can still make it work, it just sucks not having any means to defend yourself against other helicopters and planes.

Also this update goes to show the level of BIAS and favoritism when it comes to Russian equipment. Gaijin’s has artificially nerfed the lofting profiles of all western AGMs to be less aggressive so that their effectiveness is more or less dictated by RNG but LMUR and Kh-38? Nah! They have extremely aggressive lofting and flight profiles straight out of a Javelin missile.

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all three are protected from above in game

I dont know where you got the idea that MI28 wasnt but it is (IRL is isnt but gaijin hasnt modeled that for some reason)

As someone who knows a lot about how to engage Jets and Helis properly with SAMs of all types, your failing to mention 2 important factors here.

Firstly multipathing and the currently bugged proxy fuse. Helis for whatever reason at low altitude are all but immune to ARH missiles. WHICH I should point out especially on the CAMM and CAMM-ERs shouldnt even exist as these missiles SPECIFICALLY are designed to engage sea skimming missiles where multipathing SHOULD be apparent and is in use today by the British goverment on its Cruisers and have recently just got an order for these by another NATO member.

Thats why even SAM systems like the BUK suffer because, now they have experienced what it is like to engage a heli with ARH missiles and its inability to hit the intended radar signature because of the unrealistic nature that is multipathing in game.

YOU then need to factor in the control/easeability between SAMs vs Helis when firing munitions. what I mean by this is simple really. in helis you simply zoom in, press lock button and launch with VERY WIDE FOVs thanks to good gunner sights.

In SAMs this can be done in 2 approaches but both of which still present “time-to-engage” problems. that is you bind the keybind to swap targets (assuming its not in your radar deadzone) and you simply fire, switch, fire, switch till all munitions are depleted.

The other method is using the new radar screen which when you have 2 helis and a jet flinging HK38s and LMURs, that far right menu where it lists all targets (even when filtered) can still get filled to a point its hard for someone even with good knowledge to engage all missiles and take them out.

THEN we need to factor in the bs ability to re-arm at a helipad with no consequences and effectively launch another volley of LMURs or JAGMs etc. add all this together and a single SAMP/T can be overwhelmed and killed by a heli sitting above tree top, abusing mulipathing and all a SAM can do really is engage the LMURs before its run out of ammo and cannot re-arm (even when crate is depleted) if CAPs are to far or contested.

The only way to curb heli spam with FnF munitions is make helipad re-arming cost ticket bleed OR you spend the cost in spawn points to re-arm the weapons so if you dont have enough spawn points to re-arm then you cannot re-arm

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I think cheapening air-to-air loadouts for aircraft would also be helpful, though maybe not as helpful as just taking out laser-guided / optical-guided munitions…

In my opintion the main problem is not the missile itsself, it is that the helis are basically invincible. It doesn´t even matter is the Heli is high in the sky or low to the ground but no SAM wil track and will just reflekt like from a fucking force field. Im a german main so i play the IRIS-t and i understand that Helis are build to emit a low heat signature, but it´s just gamebreaking that ther are 2 Helis 4km away and I have no way of getting them down.

Flarakrad???

To add to your comment, aster 30 managed to intercept a missile flying 5 meters from the ground.

I wish forum admins did something to russophobic bigotry that is long out of control on forums. Everything is blamed on Russia and gaijin it’s like 1930s Germany and jew situation.

You shift blame like 2025 zionist. I’t’s not Unreasonable to ask for the clarity of PARS, CM502, SPIKE and JAGM flight trajectory that are modelled incorrectly while LMUR gets it correct the first time.

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are you for real ? haha
maybe if gajin didnt magicly make every russian weapon work (LMUR) while leaving nato ones in a half backed state we wouldnt have that problem.
how come only the Lmur gets a propper top down attack and not any other FnF? you cant even blame it on balance anymore, arguing it woult be too powerfull since we got the Lmur now doing exactly that.

its simply unfair. (and unrealistic considering how well known the attack profile (loft) for the hellfire/JAGM is)

No i can’t take you seriously. Both chinese and USA got dircm 16 fnf and you again blamed Russian helicopter. This is what’s unfair at this point it’s bigotry discrimination. I hope i don’t need to explain why it’s bad. Look up Germany 33-45