Reminder that the mantlet is a weak spot on every tank, not just the challenger. While the Challies are on the larger side in terms of mantlets it’s not like you can’t shoot there on any opponent for a kill or at least breach knockout
I just find that when I hit that spot, I might disable their gunbreach but is no guarantee of a kill.
I rarely have my gun breach destroyed because a hit there is a one shot.
I think a combo of the ammo placement, crew placement and just how thin the challenger mantlet is, just results in a higher proportion of one shots compared to a lot of other tanks
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Yeah you gotta shoot right side (your left) for tanks using NATO guns and left side (your right) on Russian/Chinese vehicles to knock out the gunner and commander if applicable. Though a destroyed breach means they can’t shoot you, and unless they can hide in 5 seconds in a place you can’t get line of sight on in 30, they’re dead.
I got adding leopards to nations that need them, but when it was to France, who is a bigger arms exporter than Germany by quite a bit, and has export variants of the Leclerc to add after the Export venture tank, AMX-40, they pushed their terrible problem solving too far
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The 2A6 doesn’t have an ahistorically massive turret ring, and it has a much larger area of low pen chance against 11.3 ammunition.
11.3 munitions can pen both the 2A6 and M1A2 pretty much everywhere below the turret cheeks.
Like their hulls are both equally paper against 11.3+ ammo. Not to mention that the 2A6 also has a far larger 1 shot kill spot on the hull than the Abrams.
Like I said, you’ll see how easy it is to one shot both the M1A2 and 2A6 when you reach 11.3+.
Honestly, at this point i believe that most people are just to stupid to differentiate leopards from strv122s,
maybe because they are perma stuck in thermal sight for one and dont bother turning off to specify their targets.
So out of the predominant fear of strv122 they out of principale never even bother shooting the damn hull and just blame leopards in general cause of their own mistakes
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I honestly haven’t been against that many leopards but been up against Abrams, T-90s and T-80s aswell as the Chineese top tier tanks (whatever they are called) haven’t been up against any leopards at all I don’t think unless I’m playing 10.3 area.
To me:
Playing America top tier is just breach repair simulator. Breach just gets hammered and the engine is so loud. I know people are asking for them to have a spall liner and idk much about that.
Britain you have to be pretty skilled for but they need to give the challengers the realistic buffs they require. A few people have provided evidence in various different posts to support 20 round first stage ammo with a reload of around 3-3.5secs. The L27A1 was made to kill Russian tanks centre mass its supposed to have 700mm pen but gaijin has their excuses as to why it doesn’t. The armoured or glycol wet bins that just don’t do anything in game. The fact that tank is made for ridging and sniping yet there is no sniping spots (because every tank will just snipe) there is also no line up for it, they need the Ajax and boxer, so does Germany.
The 2F and 2ES are useless as I believe they only stop HEAT Shells. They are practically the same and barely different. 2E is ok would have been good as a premium.
And the turn/traverse speed glitch where u just stop or get stuck even while moving still exists for multiple tanks despite them saying they have fixed it.
I think it might be the most broken or under-maintained tank in game.
Gaijin is just to slow at fixing or balancing things. They do it to late.
Anyway rant over.
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More people should have said no to copy-paste Sherman’s, Stuart’s, Patton’s, M10’s, M36’s, etc. This was always going to happen without the player base pushing back. It’s simply very easy (and cheap) for Gaijin to do.
Also, I find it ironic that people say top tier Britain is trash but then adamantly say no to Australian players asking for all their vehicles to be in one place with the M1A1 AIM being a British squadron vehicle. It’s not even a tech tree tank like all these Leopard 2’s.
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Because most people would prefer seeing Gaijin finally fixing some of the Challenger 2 problems to help them.
Besides that a lot of the British complaints are just from their victim complex. Like a typical nation main that has barely reached rank V complaining about top tier balance for example.
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Fixes for top tier vehicles applies to everyone. It’s not solely a British problem.
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Yeah, which is why the majority of the multi nation players want the Challengers fixed and a proper CR3 prototype added over just copy and pasting top tier MBTs from other trees.
Just like how France should have gotten their leclerc fixed instead of just getting a 2A5/2A6 copy pasted into their tree.
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I don’t get why that’s such a hard concept for people to grasp, Every tree doesn’t need the exact same vehicles, Especially when the only connection the copy-paste has to the nation its getting copied to is just “we bought one” or “we thought about buying it once”.
Sweden is kind of the only exception since Leopards are for the most part the only MBT they got thats top tier worthy.
Everyone should get sub trees from nations that make the most sense in terms of tech and or political relation and get whatever that nation either built themselves or heavily modified to the point of being unique to fill their trees out instead of just becoming USA/Russia/Germany clones, Even prototypes/Tech demo’s should be TT if they can fill in the gaps or serve a needed role that’s missing.
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I wish sweden was more like this to be honest. With FIN/NOR/DEN we can have a really diverse tree, (Yeah a bit of C&P but most of them modified), but gaijn decided to be lazy.
Cuz yall asking for a leopard 2 from a nation yall don’t have confirmed as a subtree whatsoever and in fact has been denied múltiple times, for example asking for M1A1 clickbait cuz australia was at one point british dosent mean britain will get it and less if we apply the fact that its not Even a subtree whatsoever and the same with the 2A4M, here the logic was applied like this; its an export tank? Yes, the nation it’s part of a subtree? no, then it gets added to og country? Yes but since its an export variant that didnt get to service for Germany and Canada isnt a subtree then it gets added as non TT vehicle
Sub-tree status being denied is pretty pointless when there’s already a dozen Australian vehicles across British ground, air, and sea. This includes TT vehicles, so that point is null.
What do you even mean didn’t get service? Canadian Leopards and the Australian M1A1 AIM were in service for decades.
Just because there are australian vehicles in the british tree doesn’t make them a sub tree.
Gaijin rightfully added the Australian Abrams to the US tree, rightfully added the canadian 2A4 to the German tree and the Indian T-90S/Dutch Leos were a mistake.
Like I said before. Want an Abrams? Grind the US tree. Want a Leopard? Grind the German or Swedish tree.
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Rightly is subjective and your opinion.
Most of the people who aren’t either british mains or australian/canadian citizens, which meas likely the overwhelming majority of the playerbase will probably agree with me.
A lot of people from different countries can’t form their lineups because their nation’s vehicles are spread over different trees. Why should you be different, because you are a british main and “muh commonwealth”?
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There isnt a dozen of them there is a few that got added to britain cuz they didnt had a place to be added to, so hence for being part of a colony and either being a Unique vehicle mod from australia they have it to britain, and yet the subtree status has been denied over and over, it’s not a null point, You just refuse to believe a fact over something called cope quite frankly
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