Because most people would prefer seeing Gaijin finally fixing some of the Challenger 2 problems to help them.
Besides that a lot of the British complaints are just from their victim complex. Like a typical nation main that has barely reached rank V complaining about top tier balance for example.
Fixes for top tier vehicles applies to everyone. It’s not solely a British problem.
Yeah, which is why the majority of the multi nation players want the Challengers fixed and a proper CR3 prototype added over just copy and pasting top tier MBTs from other trees.
Just like how France should have gotten their leclerc fixed instead of just getting a 2A5/2A6 copy pasted into their tree.
I don’t get why that’s such a hard concept for people to grasp, Every tree doesn’t need the exact same vehicles, Especially when the only connection the copy-paste has to the nation its getting copied to is just “we bought one” or “we thought about buying it once”.
Sweden is kind of the only exception since Leopards are for the most part the only MBT they got thats top tier worthy.
Everyone should get sub trees from nations that make the most sense in terms of tech and or political relation and get whatever that nation either built themselves or heavily modified to the point of being unique to fill their trees out instead of just becoming USA/Russia/Germany clones, Even prototypes/Tech demo’s should be TT if they can fill in the gaps or serve a needed role that’s missing.
I wish sweden was more like this to be honest. With FIN/NOR/DEN we can have a really diverse tree, (Yeah a bit of C&P but most of them modified), but gaijn decided to be lazy.
Cuz yall asking for a leopard 2 from a nation yall don’t have confirmed as a subtree whatsoever and in fact has been denied múltiple times, for example asking for M1A1 clickbait cuz australia was at one point british dosent mean britain will get it and less if we apply the fact that its not Even a subtree whatsoever and the same with the 2A4M, here the logic was applied like this; its an export tank? Yes, the nation it’s part of a subtree? no, then it gets added to og country? Yes but since its an export variant that didnt get to service for Germany and Canada isnt a subtree then it gets added as non TT vehicle
Sub-tree status being denied is pretty pointless when there’s already a dozen Australian vehicles across British ground, air, and sea. This includes TT vehicles, so that point is null.
What do you even mean didn’t get service? Canadian Leopards and the Australian M1A1 AIM were in service for decades.
Just because there are australian vehicles in the british tree doesn’t make them a sub tree.
Gaijin rightfully added the Australian Abrams to the US tree, rightfully added the canadian 2A4 to the German tree and the Indian T-90S/Dutch Leos were a mistake.
Like I said before. Want an Abrams? Grind the US tree. Want a Leopard? Grind the German or Swedish tree.
Rightly is subjective and your opinion.
Most of the people who aren’t either british mains or australian/canadian citizens, which meas likely the overwhelming majority of the playerbase will probably agree with me.
A lot of people from different countries can’t form their lineups because their nation’s vehicles are spread over different trees. Why should you be different, because you are a british main and “muh commonwealth”?
There isnt a dozen of them there is a few that got added to britain cuz they didnt had a place to be added to, so hence for being part of a colony and either being a Unique vehicle mod from australia they have it to britain, and yet the subtree status has been denied over and over, it’s not a null point, You just refuse to believe a fact over something called cope quite frankly
The problem is, Britain always seems to loose.
Leopard and Abrams were denied because Britain never used them and no connection.
But then we get a T-90 instead?
We also wanted a modernised Hunter, such as the Swiss F58, where did that end up? Germany. which has no connection at all to the Hunters (and at the time, Switzerland was not a sub-TT of Germany)
Even the Canadian F-86 Sabre appears in the German Tree at the moment and not the British Tree despite the RAF operating them for a number of years. Made sense at the time why they wanted to limit the C&P, but these days, it feels like gate-keeping for the sake of it.
Given the choice between South Africa and India as a Sub-TT or Canada and Australia. I suspect that the latter would have won overwhelmingly if the community had been given the ability to vote on the matter. It is a real shame that we will likely continue to see native Canadian vehicles added to the British TT but core vehicles will be denied simply because they were built by another country. I can see why that would piss Canadians off.
Probably only for the British mains though. It’s widely known that British mains only mainly want the Canadian and Australian sub trees to get free access to top tier vehicles from other nations.
Like I said, The T-90S was a mistake imo. One of the modified Challenger 1s by other nations would have made for an equally cool squadron vehicle. I also disagree with the most advanced Hunter going to the German tree.
I prefer variety/identity between different trees over variety within a tree at the cost of the former.
The reasoning behind gaijin adding subtrees seems to be more in, the later the relations with britain the better or just random choices but it seems to be more of adding nations that were most recently related either in a deep political or military level altough i would like to know the line of tought of the devs on adding this subtrees honestly, but well that is gaijin issues just remember that gaijin had planned ASEAN for china and if it wasnt by the heavy ammount of backlash they wouldnt have backed off from the “greater china TT” like they called it
Yep, choice A should have been a modified Challenger 1 or something. Choice B should have been a Canadian Leopard. The fact they jumped straight to choice Z is really annoying. And yeah, still mad that Britain has universally the worse Hunters. (French Hunter F6 is at 9.0 in Sim and to me looks like a really fun and strong aircraft to use at that BR, RAF Hunter F6 is a bit of a slog at 9.7)
to be fair if you wanna play sim i see no problem getting the swiss squadron hunter or the french hunter, they arent to hard to get the swiss one even easier.
for single line up in air the nation doesnt realy matter besides how annoying it is to get there, which is a no problem for the swiss one
Modified british vehicle seems better over leopard 2’s, Ive said it before but adding other TT vehicles on TT’s to reinforce the lack of good vehicles kinda kills their playstyle specially if it’s gonna opaque their actual Unique TT vehicles, 2 thing may happen, either the better vehicles gets played more and now Main tanks are barely used making TT uniqueness not a thing anymore opaquing current domestic vehicles or they get blatant ignored cuz people simply didnt want it, i honestly don’t like any of both and hence My inherent hate towards adding T90S to britain or Leopards 2 to france when what they needed it’s fixes not new vehicles that don’t seem to fit or belong there
Swiss one I do have unlocked, just not gotten round to spading it yet. and slowly grinding down the French tree using the Mirage F1C-200 i got in sale last year. So again, I may eventually play that. But I think the point still stands that its really frustrating that the nation of origin seems to have the worst versions of the Hunter (and It doesnt even need to be that way, plenty of bug reports open for the SRAAM for example that would really bring it back up to competitiveness, if not, then it should get a BR drop)
cough leopards cough
I agree, completely.
If a nation is underpeforming, step 1 should be to make a serious effort to fix existing vehicles. Step 2 should then add export variants or other to support the line-up. The fact Gaijins default is to slap a Leopard or T-series tank into a line-up without doing anything else is really bad. Still think there is room for an Leopard in the future (perhaps make a half decent event vehicle) but I will always take major buffs for the CR1 and/or CR2 over it.
T-90 should just be deleted from the tree at this point