The "Leopard Problem" of Top Tier Ground

With the addition of the French Leopards, what has top tier even become? You have 4 nations that dominate, all being countries with guess what? Leopards. Now France and Italy are mainly because of their players, but these mass amounts of Leopards absolutely thrash every other top tier tank. US tanks are up next, at being the best, but the Click-Bait and AIM just negate all of it. For Russia, which I main, the BVM and T-80U are the only tanks that are kind of competitive at top tier. The T-90 and T-72B3 are just insanely mediocre, and the spall liner is the only added benefit. To top this off, Germany, Sweden, and France all get so many good respawn options for their top tiers. This leaves nations with worse tanks and less competitive respawns in a bad state, mainly being Britain, China, and Israel (Japan is fine). Russia can still get away with it at top tier due to Russias plethora of SPAA, IFVs, and CAP/CAS options.

  • USA’s Problem: Winrates
  • Britain’s Problem: Completely uncompetitive tanks
  • China’s Problem: Lack of top tier tanks, and good ones at that
  • Israel’s Problem: Paper
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Britains actual problem is that the Canadian leopard went to GERMANY like they needed another leo

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That… And it’s almost 2025, and our best SPAA is still 9.3.

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Winrate of USA at top tier is actually going up a bit, as a lot of people want to play the F-15E with the F-16C.

Agreed, although Chally 3 being 11.7 now is nice.

Agreed.

Somewhat agree.
The 5s reload made it so that the Merkavas are now fairly competitive, unlike what it used to be.
Trolly armour is its main benefit over something like the Leclerc or Abrams, which isn’t great (as you can’t rely on it too often), but it is better than getting 1-shot through the turret ring constantly in the Abrams, and shot pretty much anywhere in the hull of the Leclercs.
The reverse speed also really helps with performing side scrapes.
The rounds it gets is pretty good, especially M322 and M339.

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and all they would have to do is fix the bug reports for it. Such a shame they wont

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Who would have though that the most exported western MBT was good, and that’s why so many people use it?

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The USA also suffers from noncompetitive vehicles (compared to 2A7s/T-90M/T-80BVM)

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Canada and australia are not british sub tree.
U have no right to canadian leos

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The M1 abrams is very competitive, the hell are you on about?

5s reload with no 2 best ammo and a turret that negates any ammo below DM53 level is leagues ahead of the CR2, CR3TD, Leclerc, Ariete and Merkava.

It’s at a minimum on-level with T-90M, despite having worse frontal hull protection. Only very slightly worse than Leo 2A6 and very comparable to 2A5/BVM. Only the real top dogs, the uparmored Leopard 2s make it look terrible. But I’d rather be driving a M1A2 than a Merkava or Ariete.

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  • 5 second reload - A lot of tanks have 5 second reloads, some (like the Leclerc) don’t even need to spend 2x SL and however many tens of hours to get it, either.
  • A lot of tanks have ammo on par or better, and really there isn’t that much of a difference between the top tier ammunition.
  • The turret cheeks are strong (the right one can still be penned by DM53), but the turret ring is massive and the UFP bounces shots into it. The Challengers’ and Leclerc’s turret cheeks are barely worse iirc

The T-90M and T-80BVM are the only things close to being on par with the 2A7s, what do you mean?

2A7s/122B+ > T-90M/T-80BVM > 2A6s > SEP > everything else

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Leclerc turret is literally unarmored in comparison. CR2 requires precise aim towards the armored area, and the massive unarmored roof is much larger and less angled for the CR2.

No, it’s more like Leo 2A7V/Strv 122B+ > Leo 2A6>= T-90M/BVM, SEP/ Leo 2A5 > everything else except the Ariete > Ariete.

Idiot proof armor doesn’t mean the glaring weaknesses in mobility the T-90 is stuck with disappears. BVM is quicker, but the protection is much less reliable. Both have inferior ammo and below average reload rates.

I’ve nonpenned a Leclerc once. :sob:
Leclerc has lost its 5s reload novelty, now its only advantage is the mobility. Its round is utterly mid and the armor is quite paper. French mains are really good though, and the French Leos reinforce that. France might have become the best or second best top tier nation in WT now.

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true true, i love the leos, they’re beautiful

Overall I don’t really like the Sherman situation developping at top tier, but if there’s was one tree actually needing the help, the British were it…
It’s fairly funny that Gaijin ended up giving them a T-90 as a squadron vehicle, demonstrating the variable geometry logic that rules over who gets what. The T-90 is barely less cheeks than the Challenged, whereas a Canadian Leopard or even the Australian M1 would have been actual progress for the tree, and a tangible option for people that can’t jive with the Challenger playstyle.

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the issue is that canada isnt a sub tech tree and the dynamic of gaijin for adding such stuff dosent work with what you are asking

as for Leopard 2 they are all pretty much the same to deal off they arent very hard quite frankly idk why is it so complicated to destroy them suddenly

Honestly leopards are easy to deal with, you just gotta jnow where to hit.
Which somehow nobody seems to know

Not like the whole crew is lined up behind each other and one good hit on the left side of the chassis takes out the whole crew

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122s > 2A7s >>> 2A6/BVM >= 90M/SEPv1(!) > 2A5/SEPv2 > whatever else but probably Type 10s simply because fost and then the rest.

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That shouldn’t be a sole issue, if the lack of a Leo is making a nation bad, maybe their indigenous choices should be looked into?

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Britain literaly went to germany to upgrade tjeir challengers.

Uk is pretty much dead in the tank department nothing left besides the chally 3 which is im development.

Even strictly speaken the chally 130 is a geeman tank and uk had no part in its development

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