Just like the t90, I’m not considering the kdr, wr… I’m solely going off from what I have experienced fighting them (can’t really say of using them since I’m a pure French main breed, with some squadron vehicles), and from talking with people that do play multiple of them.
Merkava lacks both firepower, armor and mobility compared to the leo at top tier. That’s mostly because the engine deck doesn’t absorb the rounds of high penning rounds that just go through it to kill the crew.
What they lose in raw penetration they get back in reload speed, so firepower as a whole is pretty similar.
Merkavas also get good thermals and don’t have to deal with NATO humps or turret baskets. Mk4 got their engines upgraded so the mobility deficit is far less noticeable.
Their reload speed AFAIK is identical to the M1 at 5s (or they buffed it more ?). To me, even with the turret shape being better than the M1, I find it overall far worse than the M1A2. Each have pro and cons, but the cons of the merkava outweighs the pros
Mobility was improved on Mk4, but it’s still only better than the challenger 2 at top tier (aside from T series reverse speeds obviously), which isn’t great either
I’m comparing them to 2A5/6 here.
Well, comparing it to 2A6, the nato hump of the Leo is also very small and mostly usable only at close range, and with the best top tier rounds. While using the OFL 10 F1, I find it extremely unreliable to kill them near the turret. UPF of both is pretty bad as well, but the turret of the Leo 2 is overall better armored even if the Merkava can be bouncy at times.
Overall, the main benefit the Merkava has over the Leo 2 is reload speed, but it loses to even the M1 and Leclerc in pretty much every over metric.
I just don’t think the Merkava in its current implementation is as good as the Leclerc, M1, Leo 2A5/A6…
It might be better than the ariete and maybe challenger 2-3 tho.
Leopards have the hump and those annoying depression angles over the side.
I think they’re all pretty close to each other.
It’s just that people think 2A5/6 are still some of those ultra good tanks while Merks and Leclercs are utter trash.
The armour yes firepower the merkava is about on par.
The mobility aint vad either in my experience with the mk3z
Ah I didn’t understand what you meant by hump. Thought you talked about the bullet trap dsign of the turret rings
And this in my opinion is just as false as saying they are all on par. I am not saying that there needs to be full 1.0 BR between the 2A6 and 2A7, or Leclerc and T80BBM, but that overall between say the ariete and the leo2a7 and T80BBM we should potentially have an entire 1.0 br separation with the other tanks in between.
Fair enough, it’s true that the Merkava does have better reload now which I often forget. I still disagree on the mobility. The Leclerc is currently a tiny bit slower at low speed in acceleration and overall handling compared to the Leo 2A5/6, but I still is quite significantly better than the Merkava from what I can see
Bruh why do i see people saying that the leclerc is better than the leo 2a6
Dm 53 from the l55 literally low pens the leclercs turret cheeks depending on the angle of course
You have a massive breach that gets pen by any round that has at least 60 to 70 mm of pen even lower like a 20 mm apfsds
Compared to the leo you get composite armor on the breach
And for the person that was talking about the hstvl
Any hstvl player at least knows that you just aim for the breach or the lfp because the hull armor can’t even survive m735 to the hull
Ive been pen by a 30 mm on the ufp and it killed both of my crew members so it really doesn’t matter
Its even worse when it comes to its protection against heat or atgms
Any atgm can effectively overpressured you ufp
Commander thermal is huge bonus when i comes to the leo because it makes it easier to spot tanks hiding
The leclerc only gets Commander thermal on the s21 while the leo has it on the 2a5, 2a6 and 2a7
Dm 53 vs ofl 120 f1
I do think i need to clarify since we all know which one is better
Mobility wise they are pretty close but the leclerc has better mobility
Leclerc does get a better reload which is nice it most scenario
Overall is the tank bad? No but its not that good either
Stating that it has a good winrate doesnt meaning that the tank is good
It just means that the players that are playing france are doing good in the tank
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I was going to comment on this, I’m finishing the French land line, I played up to 9.3, and then I buy the 2A4 premium to finish the rest, and wow, I was surprised with the MSC. I perfectly understand why it’s 11.0, I took 4 nukes with it while it was still 10.7, as for the Leclerc, I’m almost getting the S21, but I already have some opinions, the stock ammunition is really horrible for me and it takes a long time to curve on its own axis, but otherwise I’m really surprised the vehicle has a really comfortable gameplay, the reload helps a lot, and many want to believe what I’m going to say now or not, I found its survivability really decent, much better than the Japanese Type 90 that I have, which is complete garbage in this regard, sometimes I take shots that simply kill a crew member, the turret armor is kind of trollish and holds several shots, and sometimes they simply go through it without doing any real damage
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China with a Taiwanese M1A2 & M829A3+.
Nah dude wut lol
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199394/cmhansrd/1994-02-03/Writtens-9.html
The Tea Drinkers. This is the only concrete piece of evidence that we have of the Brits getting a T-80U. I would not be surprised if L27A1 can lol-pen K5 equipped tanks out to 3k meters
Edit: you need to scroll down to find it
Yeah, the stock Leclerc is pain, the stock round is realy horrible. And i totally agree with you. I was surprised by Leclerc survivability in same way coz i got the Japanese tkx and type 10 and they were a little bit uncomfortable. The 4sec reliad is superior on types, but their gun handling and armor is realy bad while on Leclercs i alredy have more then 2 kills for 1 death and i only on my way to get a normal round for S21… If we talking about comfortable gameplay i would like to take Leclerc over the type and maybe even German leos.
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I’m playing with the Type 90 premium from Japan. I’m researching the 9.0 vehicles, but it’s very difficult for me. I don’t like the Type 90’s play style. I’m used to my beautiful Soviet vehicles and my Leopards, which can provide me with armor and firepower. As for the Type 90, I have to treat it as a light tank because it can’t even handle shots from small-caliber automatic cannons. I just got the Leclerc S21 and I’m on my way to Azur. I really like the Leclerc. I would also say that it’s as comfortable as the Leopard or the T80BVM. It’s a really good vehicle.
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Sounds a lot like type 90
I’d say type 90/10 and M1 abrams are the closest there is to leclerc (fast reload, quite mobile, Ok turret armor, very meh hull armor)
Bit i’ve never played any of those, so it’s just a guess
I’d say that it is more similar to abrams tanks, i haven’t played American top tier but Japanese and types with tkx is a bit similar to Leclerc. Both have very good mobility and good gun, reload is good too (but types have it by 1sec faster but Leclerc’s reload is pretty good too), and Leclerc has much better gun handling then types and around the same survivability (I would like to say that Leclerc has better armor and survivability in terms of battle, idk but i have survived critical hits in different places and spots on Leclerc many times but not on types. I was surprised coz sometimes Lelclec was more survivable then Leos 2 (ノ゜ー゜)ノ)
So overall, i prefer Leclercs more then types90/10.
Again, i havent played americans top tier, but i think it is pretty similar to France’s and is really good after all
Well depends what fires at it and what leo variant we are talking about
Every leopard hull up to the A6 variant are basically butter for any top tier round.
Turret on Leclerc is also quite strong and very underrated imo
One other factor is that Leclerc is one of the last MBTs which still has a bit of empty space here and there, but i have a feeling that won’t last, as turret baskets and more modules will eventually come. I have to say though, them modelling the autoloader did not change much imo
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yes, also plugging the EBRC thread here :
Also the original suggestion about the vehicle which features even more infos on the specific capabilities of the vehicle :
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