Guys please take it to DM, the discussion you are having hasn’t been interesting to look at for a while now
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I already proved my points, your just a yapping person who can’t accept the truth, hence why I stopped answering you.
What points did you prove exactly?
You’ve provided absolutely zero evidence nor sources to remotely back up any statements.
Means they are left unproven, your truth isn’t someone elses son, remember that
I’m not your son kiddo, know your place.
DM guys. We don’t need to call a moderator
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To be fair this one should be a /thread as it’s now been proven Leclercs aren’t in a need of a buff, let alone in “dire need”.
This thread is more than 2 years old by now, so it definitely needs a second evaluation.
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You can be for historical accuracy all you want but that doesn’t exclude vehicles from moving up in BR after getting buffs if they’re performing better than they should.
Leclercs are 2A6 equals, so giving them handouts will push them into the crowd that deserve 12.3 or more, like uparmored Leopards do.
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I don’t think I’ve seen a thread change name.
Also, I disagree with you on that point. I am of the point of view that :
- many top tier tanks should go much higher in BR (BVM, leopard 2A7…),
- while others should stay at the current BR if not lowered (like Ariete).
With the Leclerc as it is, I would not think that it’d deserve the same BR raise (but also not going any lower) unless it was buffed in multiple areas
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abrams as well.
I personally consider the Abram to be in a somewhat similar situation as the Leclerc. Clearly not bad compared to others at its BR, but also not equivalent to 2A7 and cie.
As for which is better, I don’t really know, my only experience with the M1 is the AIM. I do think it’s harder to kill them than the Leclerc tho but it comes with its own problems
Edit : the vehicles that I believe should go up are the T80BBM, T90M, leopard 2A7 and derivatives.
The vehicles that are good but not exceptional are the type 10, Leclerc, M1. Vehicles that could go down are the ariete, challenger 2 and merkava. I don’t really have strong opinions the Chinese tanks and the challenger 3. They would probably still be okay at the same BR as the Leclerc and cie, but I wouldn’t say they are quite as good
Also, « going up », « staying at their BR » and « going down » is solely considering them in a vacuum, I’m not considering lower BR tanks. This might require an overall increase in BR with decompression
You cant hold W and press M1 in abrams like in T80
Japan can be given Italy treatment and given a better performing NATO compatible round with same or lower pressure than Type 10 [SHARD for those wondering].
T-14 with Vacuum for Soviets.
China can get M1A2T with M829A3+.
Israel can either be given Italy treatment or a new round is found to be fired out of Merkava.
Everyone else is more straight forward.
Obviously at that point, even if we got better armor representation, everyone’s lolpenning each other.
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This addition is controversial
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However, we will have to go through with it, I don’t see why we would put Leopards everywhere, and why the Taiwanese branch wouldn’t have its M1A2T. Same for Thailand’s VT-4.
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Also, aside from in service vehicles, the past few years have also proposed a bunch of MBT propositions, from EMBT, Abram X, China also has some stuff. While many are tech demos, a bunch of them are stated to be at least tried (for example EMBT ADT140 and leopard 2 ACR as well as Abram X should be undergoing testing as of now or in the very near future). I don’t think every country would have an option tho and that is the main problem with those additions
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You certainly can.
Yeah the last part of that statement resonates with me rn man it feels that way.now
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You can W and M1 into ur death lol
Okay.
Same as a T seried then
Not a single tank should go down if we get higher max BR.
90M performs much closer to 2A6 than to 2A7, so I doubt it deserves to be at the same BR as top dogs.
Where’s the hate towards Merkavas coming from ?
They should have around the same performance as 2A5 or even 2A6.
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