So it’s the best to close this thread off then, as that’s the whole point of it.
You also talked about 2A6 being superior in almost every way which isn’t something stats agree with.
Yes it is if those fixes make the vehicles in question better. Same thing applies to nerfs as well.
Have you ever heard player skill differences? I guess not.
So you’re admitting that you only care about stats rather than having accurate vehicles.
Good to know.
Not at the expense of Gen 2 gunner thermals.
It becomes solely a benefit when coupled with the Gen 2 thermals.
In the opinion of the majority of folks who have spent the last 3 years talking about 2a6 (if not longer)
Clearly proving you chose to ignore my statement of the lower half of the breach entirely can be penetrated with the M18 round APHE round.
You choosing to ignore something doesn’t change it.
Again I’m aware that it is.
however the angle to the tanks is the same 90 degree angle.
Would you like me to turn it off and show the exact same thing¿
I didn’t ignore them, it’s plainly stated above the 2A6 turret front is better, the rest of the turret side / rear is pretty much the same, unless you get Gaijined with a shot.
whilst ignoring the gen 1 gunner sights as if Leclerc isn’t running gen 2
Using the gunner thermals at gen 2 is objectively better in game than commander thermals.
EDIT : just to prove a point
the HSTVL can actively pen through the entire UFP bar the very frontal section on the 2a6
EHAHAHAHHAHA
EDIT 2 - **furhter proves how littel he knows, with said camera angle turned off the leclercs frontal armour VS the HSTVL round is actually higher.
Both are operated by the same group of people, aka French TT players.
Stats paint a better picture for the vehicle’s performance than random opinions in a thread about said vehicle’s sufferings.
You do not understand basic English.
He is stating objectively. That your argument of :
Leopard 2a6 > Leclerc in every possible way, is false.
He has proven this, as others have, with the statistical capabilities of the vehicle in game.
Asking for a fix, which improves the vehicle, regardless of reason for said fix, is in fact still buffing the vehicle.
Exhibit A :
Average stats obsessor vs average historical accurate vehicle enjoyer.
We’re not the same.
At this point claiming otherwise is just arguing in bad faith.
None of these vehicles are historically accurate mate, haven’t been for a very, very long time.
Again trying to fire that across to him as if it’s an insult to want the game balanced xD
He has resorted to just blatantly trying to insult / claim you are more insignificant with his last statement.
His argument of my vertical camera angle was on, actively worked against him, Leopard 2A6 hull is shown to be arguably weaker VS the HSTVL round at 500 meters.
Gonna keep yapping?
Going to actively produce something that makes your point ?
Any factual evidence or stats from vehicles provided or just ancedotal evidence?
By all manner of the statement, tis you sir who is “yapping”
Guys please take it to DM, the discussion you are having hasn’t been interesting to look at for a while now
I already proved my points, your just a yapping person who can’t accept the truth, hence why I stopped answering you.
What points did you prove exactly?
You’ve provided absolutely zero evidence nor sources to remotely back up any statements.
Means they are left unproven, your truth isn’t someone elses son, remember that
I’m not your son kiddo, know your place.
DM guys. We don’t need to call a moderator
To be fair this one should be a /thread as it’s now been proven Leclercs aren’t in a need of a buff, let alone in “dire need”.
This thread is more than 2 years old by now, so it definitely needs a second evaluation.
You can be for historical accuracy all you want but that doesn’t exclude vehicles from moving up in BR after getting buffs if they’re performing better than they should.
Leclercs are 2A6 equals, so giving them handouts will push them into the crowd that deserve 12.3 or more, like uparmored Leopards do.
I don’t think I’ve seen a thread change name.
Also, I disagree with you on that point. I am of the point of view that :
With the Leclerc as it is, I would not think that it’d deserve the same BR raise (but also not going any lower) unless it was buffed in multiple areas
abrams as well.
