Let me guess, it’s because western systems are usually considered more advanced ? Now that they have set a precedent with only adding spall liners when the T90M arrived, I can only think of that
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leclerc isnt the only tank with something like that.
T-90M has autolock in its fcs not auto lead just autolock you point at tank/heli it locks onto it
I think gaijin will add as top premium for France a kind of Leclerc prototype and then they will buff the Leclercs to get people buying their new premium toy AS they did with Abrams and the Click Bait lmfao.
The 5s reload will get added I think there is no reason they’ll not put it but we need to wait a Leclerc premium lol
Are we also gonna talk about the fact that we are still missing HE rounds at top tier lol
Pointing out things that go against what you’re saying = easy argument. K.
Guess you’re gonna ignore my OP listing tons of reason (as well as a video plus another one in the thread) as to why it’s in a bad state.
(And it’s not even up to date: the Abrams now outreload the Leclerc and the Leclerc officially has the worst round now that Britain got the Challenger 3.)
Seriously, the only other tank that has fuel tanks as vulnerable as the Leclerc is the Type 10. While Russian tanks have issues with exploding fuel as well, it’s behind armor that actually works, so they’re nowhere near as vulnerable as the Leclerc and Type 10.
The LFP of the Leclerc being weak isn’t a big deal, it’s an area that seems to be weak on the tank IRL so that’s fine if it’s weak in game as well. That’s not what we’re fighting about.
Excuse me what? Russian tanks UFP are essentially unpennable, as well as all Strv 122s and Leo 2A7.
These alone represents makes up ~60% of tanks you’ll face at top tier in terms of frequency.
Then you add some Chinese tanks too, and the Abrams UFP which is very likely to bounce due to the angle, and we’re in the ~80% frequency territory.
As for the other tanks, all but the Ariete (which has no business sitting at 11.7) have something to at least compensate somewhat.
So no, UFP being weak isn’t a thing for “most tank”, at least at top tier (which is what this topic is about since we’re not fighting Leo 1s at 11.7)
And on top of that, bug reports have showed that the Leclerc’s UFP values are lower than what they should be, but gaijin doesn’t want to budge. So it’s not just bad gameplay wise, but also inaccurate. And that’s not mentioning the absence of spall liners.
And it’s not just the breach that’s huge, the whole frontal arc of the turret is easily pennable by top tier rounds, which coupled with the terrible UFP and LFP results in the entire frontal arc of the Leclerc being a gigantic weak spot.
Like, you have to actively try to score a non pen on a Leclerc.
That area is such a ridiculously small part of the front profile that it’s completely irrelevant, especially considering that even the rounds on the weaker side in terms of pen can still pen it at 500m and below.
Well thank god the amount of armor doesn’t impact if your tank will be penetrated or not the-OH WAIT
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Update on where we are at with bug reports…
Fixed:
Acknowledged and awaiting a response:
- Reload should be 5 seconds - primary sources and reliable video evidence provided
- Coaxial .50 Cal should have 945 rounds and continuous fire
- Smoke grenades should have a duration of 40 seconds
- More smoke launcher salvos
- Leclercs should have a HE round
- Reverse speed should be 38km/h instead of 37km/h
- AZUR is missing LWS - even though LWS reciever is already modelled
- French standard camo
- Missing Hyperbar - Leclerc should be able to accelerate 0-50km/h in 4 seconds
- SXXI should have 3rd gen thermals - IRIS thermal imagers have superior performance than 3rd gen thermals such as MATIS STD, Catherine-XP and ATTICA GL (all of which are in-game)
- AZUR should also have 3rd gen thermals
- S2 should also have 3rd gen thermals
Waiting to be acknowledged:
- Leclerc model is too long - also appears to be that the T-80U and Leopard 2 have been modelled way too short
- Leclerc should have a top speed of 90km/h
- Leclercs missing SHARD APFSDS - SHARD would have about 720mm pen @ 0m.
Coming soon:
- Increased frontal armour
- Increased side protection
- Roof protection against early top-attack missiles
- UFP angle should be 80 degrees
Key takeaways:
- The devs really don’t give a shit about French ground. Even bug reports which should be easy fixes and are based on primary sources have still shown no progress over a month later - how hard can it be to change the smoke duration from 20 seconds to 40 seconds or add an LWS mod?
- By now, I’m not even sure if France has a TT consultant. If there is one, they should be replaced. For comparison, look at this timely response from the Italian TT consultant: Community Bug Reporting System.
- With regards to armour buffs, at this stage we have primary sources showing that the Leclerc which was tested in Sweden has a different armour composition than the Leclerc which entered French service. However, we are not rushing this and ensuring we have exhausted all possibilities before moving forward.
- A correctly modelled Leclerc would be very competitive by virture of firepower and mobility alone - there would be no need to reduce its BR.
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The Italian TT consultant ain’t doing a good job, however. The Ariete’s missing just as much armor as the LeClerc. They’ll have you believe that 5 tons of WAR kit is 20mm effective while the Abrams turret DU only added 2 tons on the cheeks for roughly 300 entire milimeters.
Neither of the consultants (if the French one even exists) are giving these vehicles their fair shot.
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After they added the automatic zeroing for laser rangefinders, I feel like the average skill since then has gone down by like ~25%. No wonder they don’t
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sad to see none of these get fix only two thing that got fixed
I also want to add as people might not have looked deeply in the reports, a majority of them are backed up with primary sources
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This position has already seen two people die in real life literally and I don’t think there is someone to replace him. The stories I heard are one died from an traffic accident, one died due to cancer and one died due to COVID.
That is just going to be a rant here, but I have finally played the Leclerc again after a few weeks. And it’s just bad now, when a month ago I would only have said it’s mid. The traverse rate buff is almost useless, considering the leap that are T90M, Leo2A7, STRV 122s are. It really feels like playing with a light tank, but without any advantages of the light tanks. Heck, at their BR, even most light tanks are better armoured than the Leclerc. I’ve seriously been having less trouble using the M1A1 AIM and T80UK at 11.7, both being almost stock, and low level crew, compared to my aced S21. I think we should force the devs playing 2 games in French top tier vehicles and see for themselves, because as of now, they are simply not up to par. I have not played the Ariete, but I think it comes from a knowledgeable place when I say, that in their current position, Leclerc, Ariete, Challenger 2s don’t belong to 11.7, and might not even be 11.3 worthy. If the devs made actually buffs for realism, there are enough proof for that. But if they do it for balance, I would highly encourage the devs to do even a single game in a Leclerc and see how it feels. Damn, I did not think I’d ever say that the M1A1 AIM would feel better to use at top tier…
The only way to play the Leclerc as of now is by camping near your spawn, but even then it’s almost useless considering if your team steamrolls the enemy, you won’t see a single target, and if the opposite happens, there’s nothing you can do due to the inability to shot at someone without exposing a weak spot that would cause a one shot kill, while the enemy steamrolls your spawn. And those 2 scenarios account about 80% of the games as of now (except night battles, because 7v7 is much better than 16v16).
The only saving grace of the French lineup are the excellent CAS option, minus the tiger, because the Spikes feel near useless, exploding mid air when the entire target is visible (whyyyyyyyyy), and the Mistral is a shit show, failing to kill even non manoeuvring aircrafts for no reason (imo its even worse now on the tigers than before). The 2 mirages are great, but I really think the Mirage 2000 5F should actually receive its MAW, because of the rampant aim9M carriers that fly around and are very hard to kill (f16C and gripes) by both SAMs as they fly low, and aircrafts can’t reliably engage them due to the threat of invisible missiles. Maw for aircraft is already implemented even in the F111, so it should be time to give it to other fighters
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We don’t, Smin said as much in the thread asking for a consultant change:
Somehow, gaijin thinks the state of French and Israeli vehicles are in a fine state as they are given that they refuse to give them specific advisors…
Everyone saw this? ;)
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what?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/191voq1/russian_youtuber_k2_did_a_survey_using_more/
It’s a decent way of looking at how team performs, but that doesn’t change anything about vehicle or lineup balance. No one in their right mind would think that Italy’s top tier lineup is better than Russia’s or America’s, yet they still perform better. It’s just that people who play Italy are just better.
The main exception to this would be Sweden. There’s no IRL reason for them to be nearly as popular as France and the UK combined. The only reason they’re so popular is how stupidly strong their lineup and vehicles are.
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So a Russian YouTuber did a research about each nation’s win rate and popularity for 11.7 and up GRB (I think based on past 5 days match history)
yea but do it again in 2 months to get a real number its normal that the first month after an update the usage and win rate for certain nations goes up so its useless data for a while
Yeah I agree, especially when leo2A7V is one of the most popular vehicle that people are waiting for, most veterans probably went back to playing Germany and it boost its stats by a lot. But what is really interesting here is high France win rate with such a low player base. The release of Mirage 4000 probably has some effect, but I doubt that’s the main cause
as others have said France Italy and Japan are mostly played by Vets at Top Tier so you have really good players that keep the stats up and honestly the 2A7V would be even more popular if it had its real armor that however would make it 100% OP and i know that if the Leclerc gets its Armor Fixed it will get played more