Going ham on the trigger is definitely a user issue.
I’ve got USSR air to top tier so I know the ammo counts not top notch.
Not if you take the time to properly aim or fire short af bursts.
Russian planes tend to guzzle fuel, but so do a lot of early afterburning planes.
Fuel management is a massive part of the game for planes after the prop stages at rank 4 or so.
Complaining that you can’t just sit the full match with an afterburner on is pretty silly.
How so ?
Who is this directed at may I ask? because you’re point was to try say “people like you only target the easy targets that are heavy fighters” etc etc yapping on about that.
You realise I fly every plane in ARB for air superiority.
So I’m the guy using an super etendard against F5’s and J7s.
Or the guy RN spading a hawk 200 against viggens and what not.
Don’t sit there and tell me how I play the game, when you know absolutely nada bout how I play xD
I smash actual fighters, I’ve beaten gripens in fuclrums and beaten EF2000s with the SMT.
Hell I beat an F18A my mate was in with a hunter. so don’t give me it
SO please? tell me how I am the one targetting “bombers cosplaying” as fighters?
Because my designated fighter can’t do ground strike very capably.
I also direct you to the entire conversation above as to way we don’t do that
Or I am sure @coffee_can-psn , or @Leinadmix9_ツ can elighten you if you’re too silly to read up.
EDIT: ** at a cheeky wee glance at your stats for air RB and I can see the issue here. **
You are terrible with almost every single plane you have, majority are strike planes, and have actually come to the forum to vent your own frustrations at being taken down.
the only plane you have which is positive in ARB between ranks 6 - 8 is the F14 IRIAF and that thing had a time where it was literally farming K/D.
So please, englighten me how I am the one farming bombers
Wow, when I thought anti airfield AA crybabies couldn’t get any worse.
“Going ham on the trigger is definitely a user issue.
I’ve got USSR air to top tier so I know the ammo counts not top notch.”
It’s really not. Have you thought about the fact that, I don’t know, NOT EVERY ROUND HAS A TRACER? You can’t be constantly paying attention to the ammo counter. What’s that? You’re trying to use the belt with most tracers? Well good for you.
“Not if you take the time to properly aim or fire short af bursts.” - Ah yes, the miraculous “take your time to aim very carefully”. Have you heard of the Air RB furball? I thought not. It’s not a story your comrades will tell you.
“Russian planes tend to guzzle fuel, but so do a lot of early afterburning planes.
Fuel management is a massive part of the game for planes after the prop stages at rank 4 or so.
Complaining that you can’t just sit the full match with an afterburner on is pretty silly.” - you claim to have reached top tier and yet you’re still under the delusion everyone fights in planes that can reach rip speeds loaded (i.e. Su-27s). You also have Su-17s and Mig-27Ks which although classified as fighters, can barely break M1 when adequately loaded. In a Su-17M4 if you want to reach the bases in time, you need to take at most 20 minutes, always on afterburner and wings at 100%. And you still have a decent chance of being intercepted too early. You can’t really fight in it since it takes a long time (and that’s with 10 minutes of fuel and sporadic afterburner use) to get to a decent speed, doesn’t maneuver well and the missiles are pretty shit actually. The only planes you get to shoot down with them are either flareless (F-105s, F-4Cs are the most common and still pretty rare to meet) or cannot for whatever reason shoot a flare. The guns, again, have a terrible ammo count and are shit. 1 in 3 rounds has a tracer and you can’t always correct the lead in time before he either turns, you have to abort or are shot down. This is just an example.
“How so ?”
Oh I don’t know, because he’s using AB and you are not?
"Who is this directed at may I ask? because you’re point was to try say “people like you only target the easy targets that are heavy fighters” etc etc yapping on about that.
You realise I fly every plane in ARB for air superiority.
So I’m the guy using an super etendard against F5’s and J7s.
Or the guy RN spading a hawk 200 against viggens and what not.
Don’t sit there and tell me how I play the game, when you know absolutely nada bout how I play xD"
Sure you do. And Rome was built in a day.
"I smash actual fighters, I’ve beaten gripens in fuclrums and beaten EF2000s with the SMT.
Hell I beat an F18A my mate was in with a hunter. so don’t give me it
SO please? tell me how I am the one targetting “bombers cosplaying” as fighters?"
The only thing you smash is the keyboard when an AA killed you because you got greedy and went to camp the airfield.
" Because my designated fighter can’t do ground strike very capably.
I also direct you to the entire conversation above as to way we don’t do that
Or I am sure @coffee_can-psn , or @Leinadmix9_ツ can elighten you if you’re too silly to read up."
Most fighters are ok at ground pounding at least with the exception of actual 30 round wonder planes like the starter Mig jets. And you don’t need many rounds to destroy a howitzer and the like. You don’t do that because you’re greedy. What’s that thing over there 25kms away? A plane going to his AF? I might want to get some ground ki… naaaah, let’s just go to the enemy AF to get killed.
" You are terrible with almost every single plane you have, majority are strike planes, and have actually come to the forum to vent your own frustrations at being taken down.
the only plane you have which is positive in ARB between ranks 6 - 8 is the F14 IRIAF and that thing had a time where it was literally farming K/D." - ah yes, “if you don’t do what I do, you’re stupid” and other things your teams likes to spout. Really credible.
In short, you are nothing more than a whiny player who wants for things to be easy and farm planes on the airfield.
You seem rather upset ?
you also are aware that you can quote the text from my response not having to quote each line the way you have.
That is called a skill issue right there bud.
I have 7 nations at rank 8 for air all of which have different guns, ammo counts as well as velocities.
You should be learning throughout the grind how to manage ammo.
Yes I have, I’ve thousands of games in ARB and I am well aware of the furrball, only when I first started ARB did I tend to run out of ammo and miss shots a lot.
I don’t shoot now generally unless I’m going to hit.
(bar recently with the HAWK 200 as I’ve taken a few head on shots and prayed.)
still never ran out of ammo like you’re complaining about.
Okay I’ll start here.
1 it doesn’t matter the plane no on is talking about rip speeds I am talking about sitting the whole damn game with it in WEP aka afterburning , and absolutely devouring fuel.
2 You seem to be offended that I’ve taken out more varying planes than you have and are assuming I’m just floating around in a fighter.
Neither the SU17 nor Mig27 are fighters.
the mig 27 has the title fighter due to a patch made many years ago to remove it’s once OP af air spawn.
So yeah.
then don’t rush straight for bases, circle around and bide your time or go for other ground units. the SU17M4 also gets nearly 400 counter measures and 6 R60Ms.
R60M’s are okay, not great at longer ranges, but good as defensive missiles especially if someone chances a headon.
that’s not exactly true is it, You’ve also cherry picked the Su17 for this, it is not in any way a meta plane any more, su24, F111’s etc all out pace it.
Though it is still better than the likes of the tornado and what not at comparable BRs
this is called a skill issue You do not need tracers constantly to tell where the rounds are going, one in every three is absolutely sufficient to take 2 or 3 short bursts to hit an enemy plane.
You’ve 160 rounds, 80 per cannon, they are designed for defense that or ground attack.
that entire big paragraph of you complaining is in fact more related to the pilot than the plane
Then if you manage your resources he won’t be running his afterburner while you can’t
Sure I do what? You’re beggining to lose the plot a bit here.
go check my last ARB replays xD I am literally spading the HAWK 200, have spaded all my planes in ARB that I use as air superiority fighters, even teh A10 now I don’t take a ground loadout as I won’t get there in time for it.
So now we’ve hit the point you’ve no actual rebuttle and are here to just try and what? wind folks up or what?
I don’t camp the airfield at all, I see folks flying in 360 degree circles around it , with a 12km safety net and lob a missile at them and go to re-arm, you’ve again made massive assumptions of how I play.
What I cannot stand is a person doing just that, they aren’t ladning to re-arm, or refuel, they are trying to actively let the game play itself for them. They are by all means holding up the entire match by purposefully denying others the right to play.
Which is in the ToS.
No, they aren’t the higher the BR majority of jets have but a smattering of rounds, like you say about russian jets yeah?
EF2000, 150 rounds.
mig29 150
J11 150.
JAS39 C 120
and so on and so on, most fighters actually don’t have that much ammo even at rank 6 and 7 ,
Yes you need about 10 rounds per howitzer on average, that means that if you have full ammo you’ve got a maximum of about 15 to destroy, though that also means you have to have played the entire match without firing a single round which isn’t likely.
You are extremely butt hurt someone ran you down I see it now.
We are not talking about some dude in the back round in a strike plane returning to base to get more bombs and bullets
I guess you cannot read or just do not want to read?
We have been talking about
People hovering above their runways to abuse the ridiculously over power AA system to shoot down enemy planes who cannot get within 12KM of it.
Not chasing down some poor bugger in a strike plane. We don’t care about that.
You are far, far too emotional to understand a thing that has been said to you by @coffee_can-psn or @Leinadmix9_ツ
You are here, demanding to be left to play the game, to run heavy strike planes, with absolutely zero contention in the air.
Then be allowed to fly back to an instant safety net bubble ?
Why choose to play a heavy strike plane then cry that the heavy strike plane cannot compete with fighters in fights ?
Where did I say this at all?
you are now just makin crap up and saying it is me saying it xD , play all the strike planes that you want, do not cry when a faster, more agile fighter designed to stop them shoots you down.
This can be said in reverse for you ??
In short, you are nothing more than a whiny player who wants for things to be easy and farm the ground units absolutely uncontested and with an insta kill bubble around you.
works both ways dingus.
While you also systemically didn’t address a single actual point I made with a counter point, you just created ridiculous examples as if that’s the game. xD
I don’t understand why you bothered to write that long reply since it’s useless and far removed from the reality of the game. You don’t know what context is and cannot tie 2 arguments together.
As for your so called skill, I call BS. It’s not possible because a) that’s not how the game is and b) the way your construct your “arguments” is not conducive to fulfilling the claims you make.
Neither do I as it’s quite abundantly clear to me that you cannot read, or have no intention to.
All of my points are tied together.
It would appear you’ve just no idea how to respond.
Seeing as you’ve changed what you said over the course of a mere smattering of replies , aka moved the goalposts.
My so called skill is why most my jets between rank 6 and 8 aren’t negative KD like yours are.
The way my arguments are constructed?
Tell me, what is wrong with how I the Cambridge educted English Professor en titular, have worded my arguments.
You’re issue is you have got far too emotional to read properly, that or you genuinely cant.
So please if you’re not going to actually respond about any of the points in which have been addressed. Be quiet.
@coffee_can-psn the man’s hit the point of no longer actually replying with counter points, I think what you said at the beginning is true.
Edit: little caveat here
You’re saying this yeah, against what points? Nothing of what I have stated goes against what, can ,is or will be by people in warthunder.
Even when you have some of the best fighters for their respective BRs you are negative in them.
Yet come here and try say “people like you just want free kills” when in reality, people like me want people like you to learn to play the game better so matches have some substance
Still way better than the current implementation.
People should start thinking before firing off their ammo, as the safety bubble around AF just incentivizes spammy gameplay.
For example in downtiers of planes that are subsonics VS stuff that are super sonic like MIG19 , T2 etc they can kite around behind the enemy before they even have a chance to interact with the battle.
The T2 caused issues like that before however right now we all have air spawns so as far as I see it runways are largely irrelevant.
doesnt change at some maps when they sit at the spaa, you still can use the terrain then with things like the t2. the problem is that other aircrafts cant like the starfighter anymore(more or less the only playstyle to get kills). and in general the aircraft which are in general do suffer. and having a shield does only lead to airfield camping. one of the reasons the lowtier propbattles are so boring and badly balanced.
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you can, but I mostly see it used the wrong way and when you use it the right way you always find a way to get them there…
I think the fuel would actually balance the vehicles since some aircraft suffer with higher fuel loads
Even lower BR jets has turned this way as well man, I used to love the swift F1 but always ends with some dude hovering over his air base with rolands covering him xd
I mean the removal of the SPAA could lead to the likes of super sonics prey on the downtiers and ruin the brackets even more than they are.
I’ve no idea what this means.
However the likes of T2, starfighter, mig19, mig21 etc that are all 9.3 with great engines and such no longer can fly over the airfield and hit the folks taking off / took off, purely due to almost every map having a damn air spawn to mitigate it.
I also would like to see us spawn on runways again, no idea why every map has air spawn now.
heh should of seen it before when you could only take specific amounts xD , min was not enough but the next load would be 12 minutes in a subsonic plane like swift, or the saber, for examples not exact numbers
you dont fly high you fly low if you want to hit them with a surprise… you let the spaa ai not see you or let them guide the missile into the ground by flying low(when you play 9.7)
You can’t get a good run on the runway like that most the time.
It’s better to Notch / kite the missiles around and come in at an off angle. For rolands anyway.
For the ITOs you cannot do either method.
You most certainly do not fly low most the time the gun spaa will get you as well.
you already hope for downtiers but its mostly 10.3 and 10.7 there… and especially the starfighter has a bad time(not that I want it to be lowered in br poor tu4 etc). I use the br since it has the most sl modifier and isnt plagues with absurdly unbalanced matchups j7d spam is not that bad compared to other br´s(even tho the d version should be atleast 11.0).
my point is here there are still aircraft which have to use a certain amount of fuel which is more than 15minutes which is in the most cases too much and impacts your performance alot, and creating an incentive to stay up longer is also a way to balance it. I just dont want the spaa to be a certain deathzone for most aircraft since hightier was a good escape if you hated the lowtier campers
It’s even worsa up there cause most folks just chill within the bubble and can sling ARH’s out of it towards you leaving you up against ITOs which do not lose lock and ARhs xD
havent touched toptier in a while since mica´s are the best missile since it is hard to notch compared to aim120´s or aam4´s. r77´s might be ok but the fm of the su30 is not so… not touching toptier
Sadly I do not have a good clip in my pocket rn where you can see the roland and veak40 miss(only have small airfield stuff or similiar stuff(altho the 4kills in 1 strave looks funny there is only 1 missile there so not good)