The issue of "PVE" matches

Don’t take it seriously. It’s an automated message to let you know about the reports.

If you did something wrong, you would have been action already. In this case, the report was ignored due to being false.

Another fact. Players who are salty that continue to false flag players to spite them. They can get actioned for abusing the report feature.

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It’s only report spam if it’s a) done repeatedly and b) you didn’t actually commit a chat offense. If you have concrete questions about this, don’t hesitate to PM me.

which is a good thing tbh

u get all the action and gameplay, but with some higher skill ceiling of relevance since less assists. Other games are way too far in sim area that you spend 30-60 mins doing nothing and the equipment is everything.

for example, they should make the ccrp 1-22 show up on screen box for every plane that has ccrp, artificially.

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And just like that most of the PvE matches are gone and bomber spam has all but disappeared at lower tiers. It’s almost like the only purpose of the cast majority of these PvE players was exactly what a lot of us have been saying…it’s just to exploit the economy and minimize the grind for the event.

That’s sad, not only they exploit the game, but the gaijin justice is so bad, they even feel entitled to report people not cheating.

Yes, if only gaijin cared about SB …

Fact is you only hear one side of the story here, then make an assumption about “Gaijin justice”.

Remember: We strictly punish only if there is a provable offense (in the chatlog), NOT because someone got reported repeatedly and without valid reason or proof of an offense.

It’s only “fake complaining” if the reported player actually did not commit an offence - in which case he has of course nothing to fear.

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last night I was playing sim and the person even admitted they TKed me on purpose, they were most likely over confident since they forgot image translation sites exist

If people make fake reports is because they don’t get banned because of fake reports … we have nothing to fear, but them neither.

There is a fine line between fake reports and reporting someone for something that isnt actually against the rules but you think it is.

Tenatively, Im kinda glad that you aren’t punished for reporting someone who didnt do anything wrong. Better people report things that aren’t wrong than to be afraid of reporting something that is just in case it wasn’t. If that was the case, then no one would report anything and the system would be worthless

Though I hope there are check-guards. some limit on the number of false reports in a given time frame and then action is taken if they abuse the system

Inaccurate. Report spam is punishable and regularly gets people into trouble and they get a ban report ban in turn.

In my long-time experiencer only about 5-10% of reports lead to a chat ban, but that doesn’t mean that the other 90-95% are report spam.

If unsure about whether a behaviour is against the rule or not, just report it, and we’ll sort it out.

You get “to the other side of the line” if you a) repeat reports about the same observation about the same player (especially if just to troll) and/or you keep reporting things that are not against the rules.

But usually it’s just a) that leads to repercussions: We sometimes have people who think it’s a good idea to report the same player 10 times in a match for nothing, that’s of course when we take actions against the report spammer.

But if someone reports something that’s not punishable in one match, and does the same in another match, we don’t consider this spamming, unless this gets excessive.

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Don’t change the scenario, in this case the reporters are doing something wrong, and if you don’t let them do it, they report you.

I can understand some reports, of people thinking people others are cheating, etc, but this is not the case, and the exploiters feel like they can even report people that doesn’t let them exploit the game.

But as Schindibee said. they do get punished for it, if they do it continously. I report people all the time for Botting. But imagine if you got punished for simply reporting too many people. No one would report anything. I’d not bother at all.

There is no way of initially telling legitimate reports from fake ones on an individual basis. But a pattern of reporting can be detected and flagged. There is a key and clear difference and a reason why there is still a human in the loop

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It’s funny, as we have seen in the recent events, RB players are a lot, and they have the power to bend the snail, and make them change anti-player things … but they prefer come to SB and ruin it even more, that we are very little and we cannot make them change anything, no matter how broken it is.

So… whats wrong? Someone is doing PvE in SB. Thats not against the rules. Not all aircraft are built for both and not all trees are equal. You may have a great CAS but weak CAP followed by a great multirole. Using the aircraft immediately before gives 10% more RP

is that really a reason to get so upset? ridiculous.

Had a match I think yesterday, where they also announced PVE at the beginning of the match, and I said, no, this is NOT a PVE gamemode.

Then a few minutes later I killed an enemy, and that’s when they started. They were not abusive enough to warrant a report, but they sure were annoyed and didn’t understand my point at all.

Ah well, I killed some more and they also started killing players, hunting for me. Guess that was it then for that match with their PVE efforts…

But to the isse with bombers: I personally don’t hink playing bombers/attackers as such is PVE, it’s just a gamestile where you try to avoid contact to be able to complete your mission. But it’s perfectly ok for fighters to look for you and engage you, of course.

What’s not ok is that players from opposing sides communicate a non-attack truce and let themselves abuse game mechanics (all those rocket-spamming-kamikaze-phantoms and similar). And worse of course if they claim PVE, and then become abusieve if you don’t play the game as they wished, but actually as the game is envisioned.

Ok, so you want to fly your Su-25 at 7000 meters straight at a airfield, and get upset if I stop you?!? Well, maybe stop offering yourself as a perfect target, expecting others to play with YOUR rules only because YOU want not to be engaged…
But this we discussed already at length here.

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the problem is not PvP or PvE.

  1. We all need a lot of Silverlions and points to advance in the techtree.

  2. combining a grind system with silver lions and a really good simulation mode is a contradiction.

  3. we have players here with different preferences and interests. some want to get to F-16 as fast as possible, others just want to enjoy the mode in WW2.

  4. There are only two sim modes. Air battles and tank battles. too little work is done on both sim modes. the finishing touches are missing.

my opinion is:
I am very dissatisfied with the lovelessness with which war thunder wants to sell me a flight simulator. however, I recognize the potential. so I do a little pvp in EC air battles and a little pvE in EC air battles and a little with tanks an planes in tank battles.

But I have no sympathy for PvP fanatics who only insult and denounce other players.
Players who like to play with attackers and bombers will of course attack AI ground targets in the game! or are the AI units just decoration?
Besides, no PvP fanatic can tell me that he has never attacked the AI recon or the AI bombers!
who has such a big problem with “PvE” players can always play simulated tank battles with a plane!

Sim can only be a good playground for all Simlers if the developer wants it to be. we Sim players are unfortunately too few to exert enough pressure on Gaijin.
so we should always try to direct our criticism to Gaijin and not tear each other apart. Gaijin needs to know that it has a good mode that could grow if Gaijin lets it.

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Fanatics are never ok, no matter on which side they stand. Overall, we all play a game and this is best enjoyed if we all have fun together, not at the expense of others.

Generally I think in Sim EC that works quite well, and I often have opposing teams that also communicate well and freindly with each other, and also give tips and hints to the enemy. Those instances I like.

But of course it often also gets rough and unfriendly, if players think they are not getting their “Right”…

The mode has a lot of shortcomings or - to put it more positively - a lot of potential, and I hope those are are adressed in time.

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Yes, that’s the problem, very well explained !!!

I love people doing that, do whatever you have to do to win the match, but under the rules of PvPvE !!! I should do it more …

And yes, killing bombers and reconnaissance planes is algo PvPvE, and it’s great, you have to expose yourself to other players for gaining those tickets, and viceversa.