Italy and Israel are starving
Damn, when will Gaijin fix turret protection and speed up reload, the Merkava 4M is not strong enough to put it in the same room as the Leopard 2A7V/122, 65.5 tons of paper armor with 6.7 seconds reload speed is really a junk tank
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Damaged side skirt of Merkava 3 MBT：
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Given, even China could have a decently unique lower tier lineup for both aviation and ground, but much like Israel the fun stuff is being neglected bar high tier.
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As i learned thanks to wargame red dragon forums, Israel had defense treaty with…south africa.
But I guess that ship has sailed with SA being in UK TT.
Would be funny tho, israeli tanks with SA light vehicles.
Chile is a good option for them.
They’ve had good ties for a long time.
Here is the main proposal that goes over this idea.
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Israel used to have close relations with SA, being the only nation that maintained a political alliance with it during the international isolation (until 1987, then resumed the alliance in 1991/2). The relationship between Israel and South Africa is quite shaky, constantly moving from good allies to enemies, depends a lot on the SA government. The SA people always liked Israel tho.
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I’m not saying Chille isn’t a good option, I mentioned it as a possibility in my Israel ground forces full potential tech tree. I just don’t really want to see yet another subtree with typical copy&paste vehicles such as the Leotard 2. They have a lot of unique vehicles, but I feel like Chile would be better implemented as a part of a part of a South American tech tree.
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While I do understand your notion, I would like to mention that the Chilean Leopard 2 variant has some key differences like a new engine.
It looks identical on the outside, but it would function slightly differently, perhaps 10.7 material rather than 10.3.
As for the South American concept, I personally don’t really like the concept that much but I hardly see a good alternative as to how the nations included would be represented to a serious degree otherwise, so I guess it’d be a “necessary evil”.
I’ve been talking with a user recently who mentioned an “ABC” concept for Argentina + Brazil + Chile. I really don’t know what to make of that.
If Israel gets any sub nation - it has to be one with a good amount of light vehicles.
South Africa would have been an okay match in terms of vehicles, but as said here before - Israel and SA are currently enemies.
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I still think it is too exaggerated that you do not approve a complete sub tree just for 1 tank that you do not like like the Leopard 2, which also could not even be considered copy/paste since the version with the special Fibrotex camouflage is quite modified, which is also from an Israeli firm, then you would maintain the link with the nation and you would have a tank that is visually very different from a standard Leopard 2, come on, you wouldn’t have a Leopard 2A4 like the one from Finland that doesn’t even change the ammunition, in fact the Chilean Leopard 2 uses Israeli ammunition.
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Chile can provide Israel with 12 light vehicles and most of them are not in the game or are unique variants made in the country.
Chaffee with israeli cannon
M41 with israeli cannon
Chilean Piraña with israeli cannon
just to give you 3 examples of light vehicles that Chile can give to Israel and that are powerful and have links with the country
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Tenuous at best. Its more just business.
It’s a single tank, right up here I gave you 3 more vehicles for Israel with a connection, and one of them was passed to the developers in December, if it enters the game it would surely be for Israel in any case
I’d advice it getting M321, M322 got the Merkava Mk.3s upBRd to 11.0.
M321 penetration specs:
516mm @ 0m (0°)
480mm @ 2000m (0°)
280mm @ 2000m (60°)
Superior to DM33, slightly inferior to DM43
Considering the extent of Israeli influence on Chilean equipment I don’t think it matters much what the nations think of one another beyond the defense connections.
Also, as I already discussed previously, there is also the option of an Israeli commercial subtree made up of private ventures of Israeli defense companies
I featured my idea of it in my tech tree:
Israel ground forces full potential
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OTOH; It breaks immersion to have vehicles that never served together in the same tree and BR levels.
When I play China, I try to have lineups that only have either PRC or ROC equipment in them, like wise with SA or Hungarian, etc. Gaijin doesn’t make this easy sometimes…
I am entirely in favor of adding Chilean vehicles to Israel as long as they have connection and are unique and fun, but as individual ones rather than a whole subtree.
Gaijin should make all focus on getting some of its line ups complete. Israel is a terrible mess and you really have to be a die hard to even start it.6.0 entry level with 3.3 CAS and 4.3 SPAA …WTF? Then with your first new vehicle unlocked your M51 takes a huge jump in BR it faces. Then it’s 7.7 in slow old tanks vs fast and modern at 8.7,drones and ATGMs. Shockingly bad. Not played it in a long time.
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I made a sub tree that extends to rank 1 so that Israel can also contribute, since they also have to fill the lower ranks, I must also say that obviously you will not have links in Israel from rank 1 to 3 since they cover years in those that Israel was at war and still did not have military commercial relations with other countries, with Chile they began to have military relations since 1977. If you want vehicles that have a direct relationship with Israel there would be 10 but you also have others that are unique to Chile and that are very fun, that’s why I invite you to see my sub trees. Chiile also offers Israel what it needs most, which are good light vehicles, tank destroyers, and anti-aircraft weapons.
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