they should just reduce RCS of missiles, It’s annoying when my radar for some reason tracks rockets better than actual jets, like no way R-77-1 is bigger than Su-30 or any other jet in the game for my radar to prioritize it, I am sure that over 50 of my missiles got shot down by mostly F-15GE and Su-30 players this week and it’s really annoying when you have only 6 or 8, people don’t even notch anymore, they just do iron dome tactic
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yes yes, Im the one talking about interception chances without any context
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What’s the source for that “less than 50%” number?
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pilot testimony, not viable.
Please don’t talk to me, I don’t waste my time arguing with clueless arrogants.
Maybe someone with a real life experience, training, studies and not some fancy sources found on wikipedia? Because in the world of wargames everyone thinks to know everything just because they read stuffs on google. I didn’t express my personal opinion, I just share what a guy actually flying a 4.5 gen fighter told me, and if you think to know this kind of stuff better than him, well you’re hopeless.
I didn’t express my personal opinion because I don’t have the knowledge to do that, So I can’t tell if this or that is possible or not, I didn’t serve in the air force, I did on the ground.
you, more than anyone, have demonstrated all the traits of arrogance here
and no proof of what you says too
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Bla bla bla, go bothering someone else
Figured as much…
In other words the source is “trust me bro” and you stated with certainty…
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Im not trying to annoy you, Im just asking what the basis of your statement is, If its just your word its not a fact, its just faith in the end
Ive read thousands of very detailed missile use case documents dating back to the 70s and 80s, I’ve seen numerous missile tests that are easily accessible on any internet forum, including this forum here, which is full of individuals with a good capacity for researching and distributing information, and everything points to these being real capabilities with great precision
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I just said from the very beginning that that was what I was told, I never ever said that is an absolute truth and you must trust me. but I guess you miss basic text comprehension. Considering we’re talking about modern, and still in use, equipment, you cannot find reliable source to state that. Also considering what happened on wt with players posting classified info, military personel are not allowed to share any detailed info about vehicles, armament, equipment and performance. And I’ve already said that in advance. You can believe me or not, personally I don’t give a damn crap.
Really?
What’s this sentence here then?
For those ones talking about “realism” chances to hit a fox-3 with another fox-3 are way below 50% (at least), due to low rcs and missile speed. Whilst it’s possible for a modern radar to both detect and track a missile chances of a positive impact are too low.
You stated it as a fact.
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I’m reporting players who are clearly cheating every single day. I waste so much time watching replays instead of actually playing, just to make this game a little bit better. And guess what? I’m not even getting paid for it.
How do people “clearly cheat” in top tier sim
When you’ve been playing since 2013, you can tell just by watching a replay whether a player is cheating or not. For example? Say you’re on a map like Afghanistan, flying with your radar off through the mountains at the edge of the map; the cheater finds you every single time without ever turning on their radar your RWR doesn’t even make a sound. You look at the scoreboard and see 20 kills, 0 deaths, and it’s the same story for all your teammates.
Then you check the replays: from the moment he takes off until he kills you, he heads straight for you with absolute certainty. He pops out from behind a mountain right on your six after a sharp turn. You do that once, it’s luck; you do it twice, I get suspicious; you do it 10 or 15 times? You’re cheating.
In Ground Battles, you can tell by how they move they react to your every move even when they don’t have line of sight. Besides, you just need to spend some time on YouTube to educate yourself on how to spot cheaters.
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Honestly if they have IRST it’s not surprising, especially at top tier.
Though you’re right, if they do somehow find you every time without even alerting you once it’s sus…
Cause even when I’m IRST ratting, I still need to turn radar on for a second to iff at the very least.
Anyway, let’s not get sidetracked, mostly because Gaijin doesn’t like people talking about these things. You know, acknowledging it might make the problem feel even more real than it already is.
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Alternative solution: A year or so ago gaijin artificially increased the RCS of all launched weapons so ground AA’s would have an easier time detecting them. Remove this for air to air missiles or airborne radars.
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“This doesn’t really show up or is an issue on RB which makes sense since you gain no advantage unless its down to the last few players and the fights are isolated.”
Wrong. But the issue’s severity largely depends on your playstyle in RB, I guess.
My preferred playstyle is to get some altitude and then fly towards enemies going in my direction while keeping TWS lock at the edge of my radar gimbal limit. Then I’ll fire as close to them as possible (even as low as single-digit kilometres but at least in pitbull range) and then start immediately and preemtively notching.
This of course catches a lot of people off-guard and it’s almost always impossible for them to notch (which is the whole point of my playstyle, to try to guarantee a kill for every missile launched), even if they’re playing perfectly.
But if they shoot down my missile I’ll get screwed over in a really unfair way.
This is because my target will be 90 degrees to my side and actively attacking me while I’m too close to counterfire = them getting an incredibly free shot me and the chance for them to start dogfighting me on their terms.
And this has happened to me in every phase of a match, including at the start.
Radar/RWR performance isn’t an excuse for enemies to be blind either, because I do this all the time in planes with infamously bad radars and avionics in general (Su-27SM, J-11A, etc.) and come out on top against planes with superior tech.
So compared to SB where it’s more about who has more missiles in RB it mostly punishes people who know how to notch effectively and have situational awareness. The inverse is true for those who can’t read their RWR or use their radar well.
And as for missile RCS I believe they show up unrealistically large in-game, as I’ve counterfired at many enemies the moment they launch at me and my radar often decides to just lock the incoming missile when I’ve put my HMD box on the enemy plane.
“So without the support of the much much larger RB community i really have my doubts we will see any change…”
We have your full support. By “we” I mean I. But it only has to happen to someone once in order to leave a sour aftertaste. I don’t think I’m lone as an RB main who’s having this issue.
If we try to get as many players as possible to do this (which I’ve seen many present as a solution) instead of only a few to degrade the gameplay enough to force Gaijin’s hand we may just ending up Cobra Effecting ourselves if Gaijin doesn’t do anything/the abuse of this mechanic doesn’t become rampant enough and end up worse than the status quo.
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This sound like you made a very poor tactical choice, not that you got unfairly screwed.
No. I’m just preemptively notching and giving myself the best defence if they fire a missile at me.
And people don’t shoot down my missiles often enough to justify switching over to another playstyle, but it is frustrating when it happens.
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