There was also one on the old forum made by Smin1080p himself asking for the same thing. It’s been requested literally forever.
Damn we need it
Also here’s another little funny thing we’re missing
APCR on the Hispano Mk.II and V. And technically by only swapping the cartridge slightly the 20mm Polstens on the Skink could fire the same round as the Polsten and Hispano have exactly identical chamber sizes. It’s called “AP Mk. III” and penetrated 67mm flat on at point blank.
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If a skink can manage to atomise my buddy’s IS-6 with AP, the APCR wouldn’t be bad…right? Oh right gaijin hates APCR…
Actually most nations do have similar concepts the game does not yet feature. Germany has an uparmored Puma IFV, France has three different heavy IFV possibilities (two cars, one of which had the 2S38’s 57mm gun called the Atom, and the Leclerc T40), Russia is missing a precursor to the BMPT-72 on a T-55 chassis, Israel is missing the Achzarit which is a T55 fitted with a remote turret Bushmaster 30mm gun, and there are probably others.
And then of course while Italy has no real Heavy IFVs, they are missing the Centauro Draco - an Otomatic turret on a Centauro chassis. Imagine THAT with as much APFSDS as people can stuff in the thing.
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That doesn’t exist. There’s just the puma we have, although there was a newer puma shown recently with muss 2.0 and some others the armour is the same. In wt it’s borderline unplayable tbh the armour is basically paper the APS system doesn’t work and is in no ways a bmpt competitor. I mean spikes don’t even work properly
I feel that was incredibly stupid tbh to even compare the 2 tanks when the puma is basically useless at its current br with a underpowered gun and basically no armour for its weight and irl stats
Also they wouldn’t add this because it was never made it’s a paper vehicle its nowhere near what would be needed for gajin to actually consider it’s addition
Idk what your on here either because that didn’t even exist it was purely a paper tank so it’s not even worth mentioning BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER MADE
Yes after how broken the bmpt was let’s add the earlier version at a even lower br and will definitely be fair and not overpowered. And also I don’t think you understand the bmpt isn’t a ifv at all and it doesn’t have any infantry carrying capabilities
Now this is the only thing semi close to bmpt but considering this is Israeli and a 30mm bushmasters with only 2 spikes it will have 30mm of armour at 12.0 lmao (obviously joking a little here but still) it’s again still not really a competitor since the Achzarit again was made to carry infantry so the firepower is limited it’s basically a fatter namer for wt
I’m aware that most nations are still new to the idea of Heavy IFVs. But all the components are very well known - they’re literally using standard hulls of MBTs we have ingame and in the AGDS’s case its practically just a gun swap of one 120mm for two 35mm guns in the same spot.
Top tiers are a made-up shitshow anyways, may as well make them burn more brightly in a balanced manner, identically to how Gaijin added the KT105 and Panther II and Coelian long, long ago.
They are also resorting to unfinished made-up ships such as the Sovetsky Soyuz. I do not mind fake but realistic machines to fill gaps.
Let NATO get great SPAA from Rank 1 to 7 and USSR trash SPAA and for Top tier USSR get the best SPAA and NATO get the worst.
What was never made so it’s irrelevant to war thunder.
Every top tier tank is real even if their armour levels or darts are way off from their irl counterparts
Are they still in the game? Last I check they were removed for being fake
Navel has always had different rules. The minimum requirement for them has always been ships being laid down or having unique parts built, gajin makes theses rules very clear lmao
WT is going to eventually barrel scrape into fake things when it runs out of existing top tier stuff. Mark my words.
Indeed, and therefore that is why it would not really change much if a couple planned, realistic, but unbuilt machines get added to counter things like the BMPT.
They are physically still in the files, I own them myself. I would gladly reinstate them to the wider playerbase if given the choice - their physical designs as they currently exist are not possible. I would propose remodeling both to make them physically possible and then reintroducing both.
At least the Leclerc T40 and Abrams AGDS are very much physically possible vehicles.
Only for them to break their own rules whenever its convenient in the future. Hence why I am pretty much certain that vehicles which were planned or only reached mockup phase will come eventually.
And as for “fake” vehicles, the Coelian’s hull was real, the gun was, only the turret to house the gun was not but the mockup made it very clear what it would have looked like. In the case of things like the AGDS and T40, both are mix-&-match of stuff that already exist on other platforms, so really there isn’t much in the way of “realism” against either when all top tier things are unrealistically modeled, and the gameplay is highly unrealistic on top of that. Both would fit right in with the way the game is now.
What won’t happen again because they are fake.
Yes because they aren’t going to remove what you own lmao just remove it from future players and their chance to get it
Then they should of been made but they weren’t
And yet that’s maybe the only fake vehicle that could be added back although it had no unique parts and used existing things used in the German army of the time
The funny thing is, back when gaijin was trying to make a great game, they promised to solve the server problems around custom belts and introduce them for plane.
Then repeated that when tanks was added, then promptly stoped talking about it because they likely didn’t want to mess with that and the needed UI overhaul it would require.
Then again, they also somewhat just added custom plane fuel, so there is a chance we could see custom belts.
In 2040
I expect Gaijin will change their rules later on as the well of modern stuff dries up. They did it suddenly with Naval when Russia had no options for Battleships.
And I strongly detest “grandfathered-in” situations like that. I want newer players to access them.
Real military budgets are an enigma. What else can I say.
Or just add all of them back but remodel the P2 and KT105 to be actually physically possible.
Long 88 Schmalturm schematics existed - the game needs to simply use them. The KT105 will need a bit of fudging, but basically a wider turret on a wider turret ring with a longer counterweight on the back.
Oh so they did internally try them, but they were buggy and they didn’t make them go live? I guess I am not totally shocked at that.
No they didn’t the same rules for navel has always existed the Russia ship isn’t fake. It was laid down that’s all what’s need for navel additions
What isn’t possible because both the king tiger 105 and panther 2 in game are fundamentally fake in their addition.
You understand this is impossible in everyway. The 7.5 l70 was the only actual gun planned for the panther 2 while in 1945 there was plans for a 8.8 panther that was a separate unrelated program
Do tell me what is impossible the way that picture is drawn as of now. The gun is clearly moved forward on extended trunnions to make it fit the turret. Unlike the current ingame Panther II which magically shrinks the breech size to the 75mm gun’s size. What would be the issue with the gun crew standing on either side of that gun as it fired?
The real Soyuz was not even half completed, and the Russians revised the design so many times that Gaijin just made it the fuck up to fit the meta. Comically small ammo rack sizes, artificially fast reloads compared to other nations’ guns of similar sizes, armor plates the Soviets literally could not manufacture in that thickness consistently, I could go on and on and on.
Yes, and why are you so riled up about things being fake vs real in a video game? I’m not interested in the “napkin drawing” stuff from WoT myself - but regarding the things the game already has, they should at least be remodeled to be physically plausible.
The Abrams AGDS and Leclerc T40 are more than physically plausible. The BMPT has no other proper counters otherwise.
What do you think the crew and the ammo situation would be. Genuinely IT DOESN’T FIT
That’s irrelevant again they picked a planned design and used that as their base.
Again irrelevant the matter of fact is the ship was laid down so could be added
And yet they weren’t even attempted to be made they don’t have a place in the game. Because the simply weren’t made I don’t get what you don’t understand. Gajin doesn’t add fake vehicle
Oh oh oh I know this one newer mbts with actual improved ammo. But the bmpt should never of been added in the first place