It’s unacceptable that a GEPARD-style AAA from that BR can take down medium and heavy tanks in a single burst, yet the same BR in the USSR ZSU can only scratch them. These are frustrating matches that you can lose in 3 minutes. SUPER SPEED and SUPER CANNONS for the BR it’s in make it impossible to play. A solution NOW!
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“USSR ZSU” could be like 10 different vehicles. I feel the easy solution is to reduce the bullshitry involved with APHE being spherical balls of instant nuke.
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If this is 23-4, then yes… If 57-2… I mean its also more of a TD than spaa.
Give them hullbreak and call it a day lmao. Finally those goobers wont eat apfsds and calmly shred you down. (Or give em TP rounds (basically solid shot in our case) instead of APHE so it wont be able neither pen extreme amounts of armor nor nuke the hell out of tanks by shooting pixels)
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The ZSU is a shredder too…
By Gepard you mean the 35mm oerlikon cannon SPAA’s (Leopard Marksman, Type 87, Cheiftain Marksman, ZA-35, PGZ-09, etc.) right?
If so, they aren’t too broken, it’s just a few that are. Namely the Leopard Marksman and ZA-35.
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Give the Gepard full fapds belts :3
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Ok got you, full Target Practice belt.
Not what fapds is
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“USA M”
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They’re all pretty broken, just the Leo marksman and ZA-35 are more so. The only “fair” one is probably the Chieftan… hence why it’s rarely seen
Forgot the 246, arguably the best one due to its bullshit damage model
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It depend which heavy tanks because keep in mind heavy tanks like IS-7 (very rare) and T-10M are difficult to kill and the distances play important role which the Gepard can kill you instantly.
It can still track and barrel them until something with a dart or HEATFS gets there
Gepard at 9.7 can’t get a full belt of FAPDS, but X247 can get timed rounds at 9.0
That’s very good balancing and incredible smart and perceptive game design.
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Also the guns being right next to each other.
Well… the APDS is emergency self-defense ammunition. Makes sense that it wouldn’t have a lot.
You know gepards used fapds in service as well what is literally just apds with added discarding sabots for anti air uses
It replaced the regular AP ammo
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FAPDS isn’t DM23. It’s an AA sabot.
Sorry, the APDS that we currently have in game is self defense. FAPDS is a dif round. I would support adding this as a replacement for API, but it would not fix the XM246 as it only ever used API afaik.
Lower BR and 3x higher rate of fire
Don’t try to use the ZSU-23 as a tank destroyer. You have access to the BMP-2 or ZSU-37-2 if you want fast-firing anti-tank autocannons around that BR.
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Good thing I never mentioned xm246. Only Gepard
Different round same use case just more efficient fapds has both anti armour and anti air uses
Fapds for the Gepard was called dm33 and used the same penetrator as dm23 with added discarding sabots for anti air. It still has the same anti armour capabilities but you get way more