The F-86 F-40 is the peak of staleness

[Cpt_Bel_V]

@Normandy_Corsair

This is fine and all but your options in the F-86 are to either go into the trap and die or to keep flying straight and let him get positive position on you and let him dictate the fight, purely only able to fly defensive from that point onwards. It’s a lose-lose for the F-86.

welp, i prefer to keep my speed and try the overshoot than falling for an energy trap and let him kill me the worst possible way, giving yourself a 5-95% chance to win (5% for you, because sometimes ennemies are dumbs, trying to energy trap with low initial speed)

keeping your speed gives other choices, you can:
extend away and try to reset things out in your choice “form of rate-fight” → 60-40%
dive down to make him go into airflow compression (reducing his ability to aim at you, when he’ll chase you down, due to higher speed) → giving you time, and sometimes he’ll break away because of the ground → 65-35%
face him up when he’ll dive on you (ending up in a head-on after he tried to energy trap you) → 50-50%
Force an overshoot and give the AIM-9B’s to force him to use energy → 70-30%

it’s clearly better to know when to stop a chase, and evaluate strengths of everyone.
Su-7B will never beat an F-86 in a rate fight (1circle)
Su-7B will beat F-86 in energy fight
Su-7B will have a hard time to get guns on if the F-86 know how & when to roll

also, many players with Mach1+/2+ aircrafts tends to see non-mach1+/2+ aircrafts like easy preys because of there speed advantage, but forgets about the rest.

[ScimitarsCurse]

@Stockholm_Blend

The whole British Rank 5 jets need to be removed.
:/

just one, i hate this ugly creature existing

[ChorizoBlanco]

Yes all jets are in a bad BR but moving it down to 8.3 like you implied in a different post is not the answer. Having a Sabre with aim 9B at the same BR as the Sea Hawk, Cougar and other similar aircraft makes even less sense. The A5 is already undertiered AF fighting 262’s lmao.

[Tastiera322]

TLDR compression for sabres and 2025 player skill issues on early supersonics

[PercussionCap]

@Boeing747Cultist

the g91 r4 which is better in every single regard

You mean F-40 is better in every single regard except carrying 2 less missiles

[Cpt_Bel_V]

@Boeing747Cultist

rolls worse than a mig17

that’s untrue,…

but let’s take a look at both Mig-17 and G.91R4 turn rates, on the deck:

as demonstrated, Mig-17A have a similar instantaneous turn rate, but fail to rate fight the F-86F40
G.91R4 is under both aircraft in every scenarios

the turn radius is in favor F-86F40

at medium altitude (4000m):

F-86F40 beats both instantaneous and Rate Turns
MiG-17 and G.91R4 are somewhat similar in instantaneous (average) but MiG-17 is better than G.91R4 in rate fight

the turn radius is in favor F-86F40

at high altitude (8000m):

F-86F40 beats both in instantaneous turn rates, but can’t rate fight Mig-17 in high altitude, as the F-86F40 engine doesn’t provides as much thrust than MiG-17

G.91R4 is obviously beaten by Mig-17 in rate fights, and only keeps a fair average performance to MiG-17 in instantaneous turn rate
the turn radius is in favor F-86F40

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as we all know, most dogfights are done under 6000m in WT, which translates in :
F-86F40 beats all the aircrafts you’ve given us as better than it.

[UnknownVariable]

Yea its mid but not the worst. The AIM-9Bs might be dogshit but that amount of ammo is godsend honestly lol

[kizvy]

Mog15bis ish at 8.0 lol

[Cpt_Bel_V]

MiG-15bis is 8.3

the MiG-15 Early is 8.0

[kizvy]

Fairly sure the bis ish is at 8.0

[Cpt_Bel_V]

Wiki.warthunder ain’t up to date:

[kizvy]

check the right side, bis ish is premium

[Normandy_Corsair]

This should be 8.3 for sure

@Cpt_Bel_V

Wiki.warthunder ain’t up to date:

You aren’t even talking about the same plane

This is a MiG-15bis with slightly more drag that is at 8.0 and is insanely overpowered.

[Cpt_Bel_V]

PrEmIuM ^^ but ok

[Normandy_Corsair]

what do you mean by this

[Cpt_Bel_V]

i wasn’t checking premium BR’s, because they all tends to be lower on purpose.

[MeanBROSofD72805]

Not necessarily

[Boeing747Cultist]

well your f40 jasdf is also premium so what? i had to go through stock grind and facing planes your f40 never faced (partially because they were higher in BR and f40s br was lower too)

[Boeing747Cultist]

Normandy Corsair be like

Incorrect

Incorrect

Wrong

Skill issue.

Let me get this for you:

Thank you Player Geamr. It LITERALLY performs worse than the F25 in an average, energy wise.

Because it’s better than the 8.7 jets.

So a MiG15 bis (8.3), a Swift F7 (8.7) and anything else that outdogfights, outpaces and outguns it is worse than the f40?

Almost like theres more to an aircraft than its missile count.

And what else, if the plane literally takes longer to accelerate than a Kikka?

Only relative to supersonics. It is a fast subsonic. You’re complaining about compression.

It is slow relative to everything in the BR because it takes thrice the time to get to it’s maximum speed, alas, as much faster it can be (which is not) it doesn’t have the extending privilege of an f2 sabre.

Ragebaiting? Stupid?

It does tho? elongated wings mean higher compression and therefore at 900 past ias it will lock up. This is aerodynamics 101.

No, it wasn’t.

It is, and people engaging at slow speed against it are part of the problem.

F-86A-5? No.

It literally IS an F86A5 with aim9b’s.

Zero way to prove this, just ignorant conjecture.

Except it literally is a proof, what are you talking about?

You are the epitome of an ego problem.

Same old story, you call me a schizo and a bad player despite showing proof of the opposite and then you feel insulted, but you insulting me is fine and not an insult.

you must love BR compression and making lower tier planes unplayable.

The Yak23 rinses this thing whether it extends or not, the alpha jet whoops this thing as well, the la-15 and the me262 c2b. There’s no way you’re glorifying a heavier A5 like this. YOU are part of why zeroes are going to 5.7.

incorrect.

Correct, longer wings induce more drag, the f86f-25 is 20kmh faster.

By about 0.01%. You can’t tell the difference in gameplay. You are not physically, humanly, capable of doing so. You’re also bad at the game massively so that doesn’t help either.

You can indeed tell the difference, the f40 has slower low speed accel than the f25.

worse than sabres.

So you’re telling me that the very thing that can outdogfight a mig17f is worse than sabres?

worse than sabres/migs.

Marginally worse.

[Normandy_Corsair]

@Boeing747Cultist

Normandy Corsair be like

Incorrect

Incorrect

Wrong

Skill issue.

And I’m not wrong

@Boeing747Cultist

So a MiG15 bis (8.3), a Swift F7 (8.7) and anything else that outdogfights, outpaces and outguns it is worse than the f40?

Neither of these jets win vs f86f40 in air rb, goes without saying

@Boeing747Cultist

And what else, if the plane literally takes longer to accelerate than a Kikka?

Me when I lie

@Boeing747Cultist

It is slow relative to everything in the BR because it takes thrice the time to get to it’s maximum speed

Me when I lie

@Boeing747Cultist

it doesn’t have the extending privilege of an f2 sabre.

meaning… what? The F-86F-2 has a strictly worse flight model

@Boeing747Cultist

It does tho? elongated wings mean higher compression and therefore at 900 past ias it will lock up.

No lmao, fly the jet

@Boeing747Cultist

It is, and people engaging at slow speed against it are part of the problem.

No lmao

@Boeing747Cultist

It literally IS an F86A5 with aim9b’s.

No lmao. It’s an F-86F-25 with upgrades.

@Boeing747Cultist

Except it literally is a proof, what are you talking about?

You proved nothing. Just empty words.

@Boeing747Cultist

Same old story, you call me a schizo and a bad player despite showing proof of the opposite and then you feel insulted, but you insulting me is fine and not an insult.

Look at how you act on here and say constant wrong things with high ego

@Boeing747Cultist

The Yak23 rinses this thing whether it extends or not

Yak23 wins a dogfight because the yak23 is a jet a6m2, it doesn’t make it better than the f86f40, and its not.

@Boeing747Cultist

the alpha jet whoops this thing as well,

lmao no

@Boeing747Cultist

the la-15 and the me262 c2b

lmao no

@Boeing747Cultist

There’s no way you’re glorifying a heavier A5 like this.

Ragebaiting or worse, call it

@Boeing747Cultist

YOU are part of why zeroes are going to 5.7.

Yes with my top 3% player performance.

@Boeing747Cultist

Correct, longer wings induce more drag, the f86f-25 is 20kmh faster.

Incorrect.

@Boeing747Cultist

You can indeed tell the difference,

Nope.

@Boeing747Cultist

the f40 has slower low speed accel than the f25.

Nope.

@Boeing747Cultist

So you’re telling me that the very thing that can outdogfight a mig17f is worse than sabres?

Untrue fully.

@Boeing747Cultist

Marginally worse.

Nope.