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J-7D should be uptiered though
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What? Not a single MiG-29 has the strongest missiles at their BR.
Obviously I didn’t literally mean he is doing cobras? I mean what you describe will cause him to lose all speed and immediately lose the dogfight if you happen to avoid his first missile.
1… no it doesn’t… get a clue
2. even if this were true, the 29 has massive FM problems that keep it from performing well in this department.
R-27ER.
That is by far the single best SARH missile in the game and holds its own even against ARH missiles. The R-27ET isnt too shabby either if used right.
The only real thing even slightly mitigating it at 12.7 is the fact the Mig-29 can only carry 2 and has a poor radar for the BR. If it had a great radar and could carry at least 4, i doubt they’d have done the R-73 swap at launch (And really should get that swap back now)
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He was referring to IR bud
This is also only on 29SMT and no other 29
The Mig-29G has ETs.
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MiG-29G:
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sometime I forget it exists ( I have it spaded )
Your top point has been corrected, your middle one is a rhetoric that you should’ve just backed out of instead of doubling down like a clown, and for the bottom claims (which are wrong):
F-14 on the other hand, rather underpowered.
It’s missing about a hundred KPH on the deck and .3 MACH at altitude. Both versions, of course.
There’s record of F-14s going even faster than that but those aren’t official documents.
Either way, gaijin keeps the F-14s nerfed and yes, the MiG-29 has absurd thrust to weight in every flight regime.
if the F-14A recieved at least 9L’s instead of 9H’s it would make it a bit easier to fly at the higher ranks as everyone has all aspects pretty much at this BR, except the 14A
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No, it hasn’t.
It’s still correct. No MiG-29 secures the "best’ IR missiles for their BR.
ironic? It was pretty obvious what I was saying and you can’t use your ignorance of common sense as a weapon.
The T/W one might be, not the fact the FM is woefully inadequate for the BR though, which is true. MiG-29’s FM is bad.
Also, I’m still correct since about the T/W ratios when uhh… your source? Uses ONLY PRE MiG-29 FMs TO COMPARE, ZERO POST MIG29 ADDITION FMs WERE USED IN THE COMPARISON
LOOK AT THE JETS HE USES TO COMPARE LOL
You need to tone down this arrogance cause you are extremely ignorant for how arrogant you are.
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oh hey look the EJ Kai was mentioned :D
that shows you how relevant/recent the comparisons were lol, ja37d and j8f listed too
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I’m really not arrogant at all, I just stick by my proven knowledge.
You complain that there’s only “pre-MiG-29 flight models,” yet those are the planes the MiG-29 faces at it’s BR. Which was my argument. I’m not out here claiming it’s gonna dogfight a Rafale.
Also is this thread not about the F-14A? Which is the relevant comparison here.
You yourself have provided no proof that the MiG-29 is bad, you’ve just been saying that it is.
That’s just like, your opinion, man.
You back out of the T/W, then jump back in. Your reasons, I can’t be sure of.
Yes your top point was corrected, by multiple people above us.
The middle point, once again, you were not clear, and started moving goalposts after it backfired.
I consider that a complete abandonment of any attempt to reach an agreement, you’re just looking for the beef.
Yeah, no. It’s using a variety of planes because it was testing in a broader spectrum.
The J-8F has a higher BR than the MiG-29
The F-16s are at or around equal in BR too.
The JA-37D is 12.0 which means it doesn’t need a full uptier to face the other planes on the list.
The EJ Kai is 12.3 too, only one tick below the '29.
So once again, most of these planes surround the MiG-29 fair and square.
However, there are a few outliers. Who are there in part because they have a good T/W ratio, which was the argument.
P.S. after reading up a bit:
The argument was that an F-14 isn’t gonna win against a MiG-29 in a flat scissors fight.
In 2023, YEAH, in 2025? Lmao no.
Obviously, but I’m also not here to convince people. Anybody who HAS flown the 29 understands that it’s not a good aircraft with all of its FM nerfs and using R-60Ms at 12.7 for 2/3rd of its missile load… if you don’t so already then you are just ignorant of reality. I’m not here to convince deluded people who don’t see reality what is and what isn’t real.
Yeah no, it is literally a video released right when the 29 came out using pre-nerf FM statistics + comparing to what was AT THE TIME THE BEST JETS, THAT IS WHY THESE JETS ARE LISTED.
mental gymnastics
I give up, you can’t be argued with, you keep throwing baseless rhetorics at me, and when you run out you resort to this:
You simply can not be reasoned with, I’m out, you may seek attention elsewhere.
rofl so real f14a for 14.0