man just want my favorite plane to be fun and accurate to irl
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Yeah…
Im still waiting on the Sea Harrier FRS1, Tornado Gr1/GR4 and Typhoon FGR4 to be in a decent state.
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i get ya people say american mains suck cause they get babied in air but we have planes that suffer
I think aircraft like the F-18 and F-16 really dont belong at 12.3 and should be 12.7. Also the F-15C should probably be 14.0. US vehicles do seem to be generally a lower BR than they would be in other trees (B-26 is a great example of that, being 0.3 higher in the French Tree)
But the F-14A… its in a tricky place, though I do think talk of lowering it at all shows a certain degree of lack of understanding ,especially when it already gets the exclusive buff of not being 13.0. Its really hard to justfiy something like the Sea Harrier FA2 being 13.0 with the F-14A at 12.7
who said sea harrier deserves 13.0 isnt it just a worse av8b
F15C can be 14.0 when the game makes eurofighter higher and rafale same with F15E and su30sm
It has 4x AMRAAM and therefore the lowest it can go is 13.0.
Its got a better radar and RWR over the AV-8B and should have 2x more CMs, but with how BOL is modeled it doesnt.
Exactly that. That is why people think the US a babied.
F-15C is barely behind the Typhoon and Rafale in terms of performance.
Prior to the F-15C being added, the US mains were saying the Typhoon should be added with the F-15C MISP II. Afterwards, it was the F-18E or F-22.
Quite frankly. F-18 should have come alongside aircraft like the Su-27SM and Tornado F3 late and the F-15C should have come alongside the Typhoon and Rafale.
not really eurofighter out does it in everything to be fair
F18s could go up
Except in BVR combat where, at the moment, it has more CMs (due to BOL modeling), better radar (due to the lack of CAPTOR-M) and more ARH missiles. All while having the same climb rate and top speed.
only planes america needs right now is F14-D which should have been a plane added after f16C
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F15-C climbs slower than eurofighter as far as i know and the eurofighter runs circles around the F15C in a gun fight/ missile fight and BVR is only area it can compete and the reason its slower is cause of the OP canards it has which add a lot of drag but generate lots of lift and it has a higher thrust to weight
Given the meta is BVR combat. I dont think that is necessarily an issue.
I made the Tornado F3 vs F-16s and Mig-29s work somehow for an entire year, I think F-15C being the same BR as the Typhoon would be fine. At least until the Typhoon gets its IRL performance (radar, FM, CM, etc)
yeah but still a factor as knife fights still happen and F15 only trick is bvr definetly deserves a .3 br difference
First pull with the strongest missiles at it’s BR is in fact a very good thing to rely on.
I never said anything about my friend doing cobras either, you pulled that out of nowhere.
The MiG-29 easily has the best thrust to weight at it’s battle rating, it should be just fine regaining speed if you do botch your angle.
Sea Harrier its a pain in the ass once you need dogfight. It’s supposed to be very maneuverable and it’s a real brick, I don’t understand how the previous versions and the American versions are much better at that. You need the radius and time of a Mig-25 for do a tight turn
F-16C, Rafale, EF-2000, F-15E, I and MSIP, Rafale, SU-30, Grippen C, F/A-18C Late. All can stay in the same BR
They could all be in the same BR, maybe a little less the Grippen with the Dart, even so with it I have not had problems fighting with the others mentioned
For me they are all formidable
This all stems down to BR compression, and gaijin’s solution of gradually pushing a few things up a step isn’t cutting it. If I were in charge of things I would straight up double the BRs. The top tier planes wouldn’t be 14.0 they’d be 28.0. Just keep everything where it is proportionally to now, but keep the +/- 1.0 matchmaking. This effectively halves the matchmaking bracket size compared to before, so the power gap between full up-tiers and down-tiers won’t be so extreme. We’d also have more granularity for giving planes smaller nerfs/buffs in BR placement.