We all know that on the test server, the WS‑10B engine is listed as weighing 1,795 kg.
Where did this number even come from?
Yes, it’s exactly this thing.
Gaijin only adopted the 1,795 kg weight figure while ignoring the thrust-to-weight ratio of 8.8 listed right beside it.
Based on those numbers, the WS-10B would have a thrust of 150 kN, which is clearly impossible—that’s the data for the WS-10C.
A thrust of 132 kN is correct, which means the weight is the problem.
Calculated with a thrust-to-weight ratio of 8.8, the WS-10B should weigh 1,534 kg.
Yet even though Gaijin used data from Jane’s, they refuse to accept Jane’s as a valid source for player submissions.
Right now, the WS‑10B only has a thrust‑to‑weight ratio of 7.5 in‑game.
As an engine with performance on par with the AL‑41F, this is neither balanced nor realistic.
Why is Gaijin selectively picking data that disadvantages the WS‑10B?
I have no idea—and the developers refuse to communicate on this issue, at least according to the issue tracker team.
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pls do make adjustments according to the
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To be honest, I can quite understand Gaijin’s approach. The data for the WS-10B is classified, so all we can do is estimate. Maybe its thrust-to-weight ratio isn’t actually 8.8? But even if it’s not that high, 8.4 would still be perfectly reasonable. At the very least, give it a higher ratio than the AL-31F—8.1 would be fine too. What’s with the 7.5? I don’t want to accuse Gaijin of being biased again, and that’s not my intention to blame you. But come on, Gaijin—this is just going too far!
thats true
If Gaijin still keeps the data of the Taihang unchanged, then the future strength of the Chinese Air Force is already doomed. In fact, the clear aim of Gaijin is to target the subsequent models of the Chinese Air Force, such as the J16 and J20, which are equipped with the WS-10B engine.
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You can bug report it here (just search a bit first so that you don’t report something that is already reported and known about): (Gaijin.net // Issues)
A guide on how to report bugs can be found here: ([Navigation] Technical Knowledge Base | War Thunder Wiki)
Someone has submitted an impressive long speech, but unfortunately, the reporter didn’t give any valuable response to it, only replied with a template refusal.
[DEV] WS-10B Mass Error // Gaijin.net // Issues
I strongly suspect that the reviewer rejected the report outright without bothering to check its logical coherence.
17.5t+wrong extra weight=18.3t.
obviously
Logical reasoning and player calculations are generally not accepted when reporting. Actual sources with numbers are needed to be attached to the report and referred to in a correct way.
In the issue reports for War Thunder, providers are often required to provide detailed data. As an active vehicle with only sporadic reports, why insist that ordinary players provide data that is highly likely still classified?
That’s practically impossible. These are currently in use, and Chinese equipment is usually highly classified. Moreover, the biggest problem is Gaijin’s double standards when it comes to selecting information.
There can still be numbers available in secondary sources, As shown in the main post of this thread such sources may exist. If there is no other source stating any other number then the developers have no other numbers to go by.
If there’s a weight number and a thrust to weight ratio, and one of the 2 gets chosen as realistic, are we not allowed to say that the thrust should be enough to match the thrust to weight ratio?
In that sense, what happens if I find a source, stating the thrust per engine and specifically saying it’s installed thrust (say 8000 kgf), which gets accepted, and the same source states a TWR of 8:1 (again installed thrust). Is it then not allowed to make a bug report saying the engine should weigh 1 ton? What do the devs do then? Pick a random number?
