Gaijin decided to include airplanes in ground mode. People playing ground mode as Gaijin designed are not destroying anything…
Dont forget the stats.
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Sorry but this is just how things really work. If there is justification to not add TO (players going to say that it is not needed) it won’t get added. Especially that air vechicles bring a lot of profit (premium ones).
The only real ‘evidence’ to back it up would be a statment from gaijin which we won’t get.
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Lol. Nice try.
Merry Xmas anyway.
So You say that people saying that TO is not needed is not being used as justification to not add it?
Depends what you meant by against TO, since those vehemently opposed to it appear to almost non-existent (relatively).
So yes, hypothetically the almost non-existent population might hold some sway. But since most will be for, or not fussed, or just replying to questions people fail to ask Gaijin, I don’t see any of them justifying Gaijins decision nor creating the scenario of your statement.
So sure, if you mean some super-anti players that don’t really seem to crop up at all then in theory it might give Gaijin a reason. But since that does not tie into what we know of Gaijin’s reason nor there being a high level of anti-TO commenters (most appear to just not agree with other players statements, not convinced by that requirement of a TO) it seems very unlikely there is any impact on Gaijin’s decision.
And most initial replies appear to be against the same topics being duplicated, which is nothing to do with “people being against”, as you put it.
The polls shows that there is a decent number of people against TO (or an no-cas option in game)
I have different point of view.
Something just from top of comments in this topic, You can see in other topics.
That is not that people fail to ask Gaijin a question, the Gaijin just don’t want to answear it. I have myself made a request in recent poll about road-map about TO.
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I mean if ya want it this way, Gaijin better add endless waves of Ai planes squad bombers/dive bombers bombing players too since Air vs Air has Ai ground shooting at players with SPAA. If wave one is defeated or gone, wave 2 comes in Just no one going to fly, but SPAAG will still be present. At least Ai won’t make it as deadly as players do, will purposely miss unless ya drive into it or make Ai just bad at aiming. Will be kinda funny and akward to see it happen. Even boat vs boat, there’s planes. It war thunder, everything mixed since the gecko.
Could ask for a team deathmatch instead where there’s no zones to capture and just tanks. To me, that will make more sense instead of saying “CAS op, only want tank mode cuz planes won’t let me play.” Saying CAS op is just an bad excuse, however saying your bored of this current mode and want a new game mode then Team deathmatch thread is the call. Will be CoD feeling but its much more understandable there. I don’t like it, not a fan of CoD like games, but will make a lot of sense to me doing it this way.
I would prefer if Gaijin brings back the capture 1 zone to move the next zone of the map. Similar to Rush mode from Battlefield. If the enemy pushes back to capture the zone back, it goes back until one reaches the end of the zone. Or something like that, thats just me. Just A/ A,B/ A, B, C has gotten a bit boring.
There is no option for “against TO”. The polls are always lacking in refinement. So you just mean the poor results pulled from various polls, not comments to these multiple topics?
That is all very well but does not change the fact the responses are more “look a repeat” or “no I don’t agree with x,y,z, premise”. As opposed to those against TO, which apparently is about polls (which don’t have “no to TO” options amongst other things) and not comments anyway.
Would have helped if you had just said you meant polls made and their results help justify why Gaijin do not have tank only as part of their vision, and not this “players against TO” vague statement.
This is often forgotten. Wanting what ARB has is opening pandoras box.
The same “option” but not the same reality.
In a poll I have quoted, there is an option
’ No to a No CAS Game Option’
I know that it is not exactly TO, but You should get an understanding of what I mean.
Then we have this poll on old forum:
On which there was an option to vote ‘No’ to ‘Do you want a tank only mode?’ question.
Sorry for misunderstanding. But I also think that comments pay some price in it too.
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We have new posts every day complaining about CAS and the same complaints about it on other forums such as Steam, Quora , Reddit so it is undeniably an issue and people have even stated they have left the game because of it.
It was a big, long running discussion on the old forum as you know.
The only issues I can see is whether it will increase queue times and maybe impact on Gaijins sales of premium planes for CAS.
I opposed CAS on the old forum as a non flyer and supported it on this one as a flyer.
My issue on the old forum was CAS ignorance. I didn’t use it and only got the negative side of it. My Issue now is calls for CAS to be nerfed so yet again the fun is squeezed out of something to appease those who can’t.
The TO mode option was a workaround for all. I can’t see how that is offensive to anybody.
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Yes, conflating these options with “being people against TO” has always been a blind spot for TO advocacy.
Which is where my questioning came from and still stands.
If someone votes for:
“’No to a No CAS Game Option”
It is being understand as he is against such an option, same with TO.
If there is a topic regarding TO and many comments state that it is not needed or it should not be added, Gaijin can use that comments as the way to say “Players don’t want it”.
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Which are redundant to the conversation here, respectfully. People have left for many reasons. And are these people worth listening to? New players realising WT is not currently for them is a good thing, not so much long term players who took years to work it out and have a nasty habit of belittling WT players.
See my hypotheticals are this, after accepting I am not against it per se but never convinced by arguments for it either (so much has been covered I am not going to be specific):
Splitting of a mode by creation of an almost identical one will split populations.
One of said modes might not survive, hypothetically. If it was current GFRB then “up yours” to all the those who ruined it for those who enjoyed WT. Difference being in this hypothetical you added something that then removed what people enjoyed, not just playing a game without the option that had been promised.
And queue times: it would work better in AB as no nation locks. But imagine the possibility of black holes appearing for various nations at various BRs if either mode did not have the required
Problem is the official answer so far was “does not fit vision” (and combined in air objective mode just doesn’t hold enough weight) and very little to do with peoples individual wants.
I don’t think anyone has been offended by it have they, at least not seriously.
I am not against it, I just wasn’t convinced by those who vehemently oppose the existence of air in the mode (in the sense they admit they refuse to engage how others have always done or are very unhappy with the game they chose to play so much they want their own version to fit their own needs).
Gaijjn are seemingly not confident it would work for them. I take that as the population and where they play might ruin one of the modes and they are not going to go back on their vision.
It’s not our fault you depend on planes to get any kills
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Completely wrong. There’s no camping spots in the game that can’t be dealt with if you’re a skilled player.
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Which is the problem of the polls. Not being for something is not being against it either (depends on the poll as all worded differently).
Being against it’s existence is very specific in this nuanced subject. So to say those criticising some claims means opposed fully to such modes is not accurate at all.
So what are you saying? No one should discuss it and point out falsehoods or exaggerations for fear of attention?
I think you are grasping a bit too much on this one (in context of the original statement, not your wish for a TO).
I would suggest no more topics on TO nor continued discussion as Gaijin might use it to justify no new mode due to their nefarious schemes.
Just to confirm, contrary to other responses here you are an experienced player, yes? (Some pointed out you were a new player).
Sorry but in my opinion if someone says ‘no’ to an option it means that he is against it.
Not really. I’m fully for discussion but people who just say ‘don’t add TO’ (as I have quoted two statments like that), are a problem for current GF RBs mode.
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If only one mode survived, then that would be telling in itself. No game wants to lose customers and it could turn out that the thing that was meant to be a selling point actually turned about to be the one thing that was turning people off. It is all about numbers and I don’t think either of us know the figures there.
Gaijin respond to the calls of “Can’t you just do this, can’t you just do that” They proved it with the map mess and stated the player base demanded all maps end up like snooker tables and the worry for the nerfing of CAS is very real.
Can’t help but stand by that and see no counter argument as such.
The only argument is that CAS fills glaring plot holes in the game and Gaijin don’t seem to want to stand by that argument.
If the news of a CAS free GRB went around the net then there could potentially be a stampede to return to the game by all those who left it and that could be huge.
That is speculation but there are no certainties in game making otherwise Gaijin wouldn’t make the regular F*** ups they do.
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