Its turret traverse is the only reasonable complaint here.
The gun depression, reload speed, reverse speed are just handwaved.
“It’s Russian therefore it having bad gun depression isn’t actually a flaw of the vehicle”.
You’re a joke.
Also? Best gun out of all the 8.0s? Best armor?
You do realize the Israeli Magach 6A has both better overall frontal armor with the superior turret, and M728 which is modeled as late APDS (just like the Chieftain) that doesn’t shatter, an entire second faster reload and an entire 10 degrees of gun depression? AT 8.0?
Every single 8.0 MBT reloads 1 second faster or even more.
Every single 8.0 MBT has considerably better gun handling.
Most of them are far more agile. Most of them have the 105mm gun which I prefer over the T-54 100mm.
You’re delusional.
not everyone has HEAT shells unlocked on their tank + some players havent researched tanks with HEAT shells either
So? Research it? Most of these vehicles also have it stock.
That’s like saying the Ariete (P)'s turret armor is strong because not everyone is using a spaded tank with APFSDS. Every single nation has at least one (usually multiple) vehicles in their lineup with HEATFS up to 6.7.
Not to mention that researching modifications for vehicles below rank 5-6 (anything below 8.0) doesn’t take many games at all. You can spade a 6.7 vehicle (AKA get ALL modifications, not just the good shell) in like 50 games. Realistically less.
I think it is good to move T-54’s back to 7.7
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100mm with powerful APHE and ADPS? yeah, the APHE is great, and no one else gets it.
Yes? T-54s and M60s are the heavies MBTs in the 8.0 range
Oh wow the minor tech tree no one plays has a vehicle with APDS too. Whens the last time you’ve even seen a Magach? You can both easily kill each other.
Whats with you and ending every single post with an insult? Is it impossible for you to have a normal discussion?
It has inferior APDS and HEATFS compared to others for that APHE tradeoff. I would prefer the better APDS over APHE.
“Claim best armor”
“Be proven wrong with the 6A which has BETTER armor”
“Now add M60s to the list, invalidating your post”
You’re clearly special.
If the T-54 is firing APHE, it would need to go for a well aimed cupola shot (I personally bush up the cupola when playing the Chinese M60 TTS) - and considering my entire point is that the T-54s WITHOUT a stabilizer should be going down to 7.7 while the ones with a stabilizer should be 8.0…
While the M60/Magach (anything with M728 or any 105mm APDS/HEATFS) can LITERALLY aim ANYWHERE at the T-54 (right side of the hull is an OHKO due to crew placement). Pretty simple. Maybe it’s my fault for addressing you as my equal.
I’ve had plenty of times when my 100mm APHE ricocheted in the Type 59 when firing at Leopard 1s and especially AMX-30s, as well. The ricochet angles are horrible.
Player preference, I like the APHE.
Neithers armor will save you from a APDS or HEATFS round. But both will stop AP rounds from vehicles lower BR that you can fight
Thats why you carry APDS for some targets and APHE for others. You have access to more than one shell for a reason
The stabilized ones are either Chinese and already 8.0 or they’re T-55s with APFSDS which is plenty (dare I say too good) for 8.3.
Ricochet angles on those vehicles are horrible for all APHE anyway, just don’t ain for the mantlet and 9/10 times it won’t bounce.
Is every chinese player this toxic? You aren’t a better person than anyone else here, calm yourself down
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Honestly tired of arguing with someone that will never admit he’s wrong. (Just noticed you’re an extremely horrible player averaging 0.8 K/D).
I will only address this one last thing:
I don’t think you actually understand how effective the late M60 turret is. It can block 105mm APFSDS. I don’t think you’ve ever even checked it in the protection analysis. The turret is effective even up to 9.0 against modern ammunition - AND it’s coupled with -10 degrees of gun depression (like all the other Western MBTs…)
The T-54’s turret cheeks (where they flatten out) can be penetrated by many vehicles from 6.3-7.7. At 7.7 almost everything can. At 7.3 too.
That’s it from me. It’s pointless talking to a wall.
“ah yes a magach im just gonna aim at the thickest armor and hope it pens!”
We already know your a K/D nazi, no need to tell everyone you rage over video game numbers
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The T-54s entire existence is based on being incredibly well armored while also having a very powerfull gun for the price of having very poor firepower stats with long reload, slow turret traverse and gun depression angles.
It becomes obsolete the moment it fights vehicles that can penetrate it’s armor, meaning every vehicle above 8.0. However even lower BR vehicles can penetrate the turret when it’s angled to the sides or just straight up from the front while having superior weapon stats.
The only time it performs well in the game is when it’s armor works and it can use the APHE to kill vehicle in one shot.
So it needs to be at a BR where it can use it’s strenght but also isn’t too effective.
Which happends automatically when the reload is nerfed to make sense for a vehicle like it.
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…If you’re using your -10 deg of gun depression, and your hull is hidden - the “thickest armor” is 95% of what you see… Brainless… And the hull front is about as effective as the T-54s… The LFP is better and the UFP is equivalent…
According to you:
I don’t think you understand that when your gun is depressed onto an enemy over a ridge - the roof of your turret is at an angle relative to your barrel’s depression. That is to say - the cupola is also less visible, if at all…
God…
The fix to this isn’t to simply downtier the T-54 and let it murder Pershings
The T26E5 Pershing has armor thick enough to actually withstand 100mm APHE. FYI. And that’s 6.7.
Of course - clearly, by your definition, the T-54 at 7.7 would be in a battle where the only BRs would be 6.7 and the single T-54 on the enemy team.
There wouldn’t be a whole other team full of 7.7s, 7.3s and 7.0s. No, it would just be 6.7s against the one single T-54. And that poor heavy Pershing (which is the best 6.7 HT in the game) that the T-54 wouldn’t even be able to penetrate.
And, of course - even if the Pershing were to somehow flank it, there’s no way it would ever be able to penetrate its 80mm side armor…
I can see that no matter what is said, you’re never going to learn. So I’ll be blocking you now.
The M26 or M26E1 pershing do not. and thats also 6.7. The entire middle BR range is subject to terrible compression. Not to mention every American MG port is a insane weakspot. Plus, the APDS would instantly kill it. (If your suggesting to remove the APDS and move it down to 7.7 it would just be a worse 1947 version, for no reason)
I don’t remember ever saying that the matchmaker worked like this. Do you? Anywhere? No…
The existence of 7.3 tanks doesn’t make it fair for T-54s to fight 6.7 M26s. Sure, I love the T26E5, but that is a direct upgrade over the M26 and M26E1 at the same BR. It’s a good vehicle.
Why should they? It’s a medium vs. another medium that is 1.0 BR higher.
What’s the logic there?
The M26s APCR can penetrate the T-54 turret from the front and the APHE of the M26E1 can easily kill the T-54 with the side of the turret exposed or can use APCR as well.
Both are able to use terrain much better for protection and can also shoot other vehicle much faster due to better turret traverse.
Also let’s consider that the M26E1 with the 90mm T54 cannon should have near identical reload rate of the M26 with 7.5s, while the T-54 shouldn’t reload faster than 10s. The M26E1 is going to be far more effective vehicle in a lot of scenarios, unless you put them against vehicles where even the T-54 has to use APDS or HEAT-FS.
Because they can’t pen the T54 from the front without loading a shitty APCR shell, and the T-54 can easily kill them both with a standard shell from the front. you shouldn’t just be easily killed in every uptier