T54s at 8.0

What happens to your elitist skill-based dismissal of disagreeance when I agree with those above me? I’m already on record for saying this, the IKV-103 is not a good tank.

It’s advantages are its great speed and manueverability, its high pen round, and its gun depression. As for the disadvantages, well, its everything else.

The advantages of speed and manueverability are completely gimped by it’s poor gun handling, poor velocity and poor reload. You cannot position aggressively due to how easy it is to be pushed in it, both due to the long time between shots and the amount of time it takes to get the gun on target when being pushed. While the low velocity means you cannot position it for sniping effectively either. Your advantages in speed mean nothing when you are so incredibly limited on where you can position safely.

It’s armor is ZiS-30 tier. Anything from a .50 cal and up will rip through it, and it’s got a giant hole in the front armor with the gunner peaking his head out, so you aren’t even safe to push breached tanks. This also means it counts as “open” as far as overpressure goes, so bombs and artillery are extreme threats even if they don’t land close to you.

Then there’s the firepower itself. 400mm of pen usually won’t let you down, but the post pen sure will. This when combined with the fairly low velocity making accurate shots at mid/long range difficult, the poor gun handling which makes getting those accurate shots on aware enemies take far longer than usual, and the longer reload making followup shots on wounded opponents more risky. Plus, a personal gripe, no coax, meaning you’re even more vulnerable to being rushed by truck based SPAAs, and you’re severely limited on urban maps by fences and the like blocking your shots.

The only position I could get it to work is sitting behind a hill at mid range against distracted enemies. You can then use your absurdly good gun depression to get a shot on them and quickly reverse out of the line of fire to reload safely. You can even lob shots over cover in the absolute perfect scenario. This only really works until an opponent is made aware of you (Say, by one of your rounds hitting but not crippling them). Then you’re mostly just stuck. Even if their attention is split, unless you have someone else actively pressuring them, it takes so long to get your gun on target that even if they need to swing back to you they’ll often have the time. Map dependant, you can try to reposition, but spots like these are rare (If they even exist at all), so you’re often stuck to a few predictable locations.

Just about anything you can do in the IKV-103, you can also do with the two Pvkvs at the same tier, with their higher velocity guns also allowing them to also snipe effectively on top of this weird hulldown ambush playstyle.

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Are you seriously this dense? HEAT and HEATFS arent’ mechanically different. 530m/s heatfs is as low as you can get.

Ah yes, accusing someone of lies despite being the majority concesus. Go search these forums. Again, do you think these vehicles are someohow overpowered despite being low BR and nearly unplayed? There is a reason they sit at such a low BR and are unused, they are awful.

PS, learn what gaslighting is. Having the majority opinion isn’t gaslighting.

Yeah I’m a Soviet main, I don’t want to club Tigers in a T-54, but I also don’t want to get clubbed by fully stabbed tanks.

Again, BR compression is the issue.

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Not to mention at ~.3 br below you have the SAV and Panzer IV.

There is very little situations in which I would ever take the 103 over them-

Maybe as a backup thing at around 5.7, since thats where pen really starts is an issue for the swedes, 'least in arcade.

Well, that’s not really how it works. T95 is a TD and a lot of time you rely on ambushing someone, with some TDs having armor that helps to survive frontal engagements.

Sure, in theory no vehicle has to die to a T95 but also no vehicle has to die to 5.0 Zero and it still happends.

Just the ability to lock down an area to prevent others from passing through is an extremely valuable asset.

The reverse speed was increased from 2.2km/h to 6.6km/h with the addition of one more reverse gear.

As someone that reached Russia 8.0 recently i can say is painfull to play that tanks that i will skip them and get T55 instead

Lol no

Haha

Best armor compared to competitors like M48 or Leopard

Again because armor.

It has the best gun out of all these 8.0s.

Russia moment, get used to it.

It is extremely effective against lots of 7.0-7.7 tanks. If you don’t have APDS or HEATFS, or extremely high powered APHE, T-54 will bounce your shot

Thats a separate problem

You are making the assumption that everyone will have, and be using those vehicles. The vast majority of vehicles you will see will be unable to damage it unless it is side on, which can be very hard to do. HE/HESH is unreliable, APCR is just bad and any angle prevents it from penetrating the maus. Tanks with HEAT aren’t common, and they are usually extremely easy I kill.

The maus should not be facing anything at 6.3, let alone 6.0.

That’s bad balance. They shouldn’t be frontally immune to nearly anything, that would be OP.

The balance of the vehicles you mentioned is acceptable, we just need decompression. Moving those tanks down will just compress things more, and will negatively affect 5.0-7.0.

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You’re actively downplaying and handwaving its weaknesses while exacerbating its strengths.
If you’re gonna do it, at least don’t make it obvious.

In this thread: people trying to convince others a Maus 0.3br above a Tiger 2H is fair and balanced

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Its turret traverse is the only reasonable complaint here.

The gun depression, reload speed, reverse speed are just handwaved.

“It’s Russian therefore it having bad gun depression isn’t actually a flaw of the vehicle”.
You’re a joke.

Also? Best gun out of all the 8.0s? Best armor?
You do realize the Israeli Magach 6A has both better overall frontal armor with the superior turret, and M728 which is modeled as late APDS (just like the Chieftain) that doesn’t shatter, an entire second faster reload and an entire 10 degrees of gun depression? AT 8.0?

Every single 8.0 MBT reloads 1 second faster or even more.
Every single 8.0 MBT has considerably better gun handling.
Most of them are far more agile. Most of them have the 105mm gun which I prefer over the T-54 100mm.

You’re delusional.

not everyone has HEAT shells unlocked on their tank + some players havent researched tanks with HEAT shells either

So? Research it? Most of these vehicles also have it stock.
That’s like saying the Ariete (P)'s turret armor is strong because not everyone is using a spaded tank with APFSDS. Every single nation has at least one (usually multiple) vehicles in their lineup with HEATFS up to 6.7.

Not to mention that researching modifications for vehicles below rank 5-6 (anything below 8.0) doesn’t take many games at all. You can spade a 6.7 vehicle (AKA get ALL modifications, not just the good shell) in like 50 games. Realistically less.

I think it is good to move T-54’s back to 7.7

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100mm with powerful APHE and ADPS? yeah, the APHE is great, and no one else gets it.

Yes? T-54s and M60s are the heavies MBTs in the 8.0 range

Oh wow the minor tech tree no one plays has a vehicle with APDS too. Whens the last time you’ve even seen a Magach? You can both easily kill each other.

Whats with you and ending every single post with an insult? Is it impossible for you to have a normal discussion?

It has inferior APDS and HEATFS compared to others for that APHE tradeoff. I would prefer the better APDS over APHE.

“Claim best armor”
“Be proven wrong with the 6A which has BETTER armor”
“Now add M60s to the list, invalidating your post”
You’re clearly special.

If the T-54 is firing APHE, it would need to go for a well aimed cupola shot (I personally bush up the cupola when playing the Chinese M60 TTS) - and considering my entire point is that the T-54s WITHOUT a stabilizer should be going down to 7.7 while the ones with a stabilizer should be 8.0…

While the M60/Magach (anything with M728 or any 105mm APDS/HEATFS) can LITERALLY aim ANYWHERE at the T-54 (right side of the hull is an OHKO due to crew placement). Pretty simple. Maybe it’s my fault for addressing you as my equal.

I’ve had plenty of times when my 100mm APHE ricocheted in the Type 59 when firing at Leopard 1s and especially AMX-30s, as well. The ricochet angles are horrible.

Player preference, I like the APHE.

Neithers armor will save you from a APDS or HEATFS round. But both will stop AP rounds from vehicles lower BR that you can fight

Thats why you carry APDS for some targets and APHE for others. You have access to more than one shell for a reason

The stabilized ones are either Chinese and already 8.0 or they’re T-55s with APFSDS which is plenty (dare I say too good) for 8.3.

Ricochet angles on those vehicles are horrible for all APHE anyway, just don’t ain for the mantlet and 9/10 times it won’t bounce.

Is every chinese player this toxic? You aren’t a better person than anyone else here, calm yourself down

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