I think it was for the best.Lets stay OP
I’ve said a few times, suport in terms of artillery, repair, actual DETERENCE… YOUR PRESENCE is a DETERRENT…
But alas my stats are all that matters…
This is all after the fact, you had option to ask this SO LONG AGO… But you didn’t, and at the onset you just pulled my stats…
Jesus christ can we have a discussion about the game and the thread at hand, not just a bitching session?
It looks like Reddit in here.
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Ground forces RB should be tank on tank with no aircraft. However I would support a combind arms game mode that could be run on larger maps with more people per side ect.
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I reopened the vote for what it’s worth ,seems only fair to let it run.I didn’t think it would go on this long
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While I am starting to “like” CAS in Ground RB, I detest the literal non stop air bombardment in Ground AB. Anyone who plays Tier 5-7 knows what I am talking about, it is no exaggeration. You literally get bombed by planes every 30 seconds to 1 min, on repeat, for the entire match. Sometimes you can’t even make it out of the spawn area before being bombed again.
And yes, I have SPAAs. I have 100% of the US ground tree unlocked, even with the ADATs it is still an problem. And I am up to the Strela in the Russia tree, and even with its excellent missiles, the planes (and especially Helicopters) run amok through the lines. So any argument of “oh just get a SPAA, that’s what SPAAs are for” is moot. There are far too many planes and heli’s spawned per match, period. Even without a dedicated non CAS queue.
The argument about a possible fractured player base was a valid 5-10 years ago, when there were only 30,000 players online at a time, max. And a low end of 10,000. Queue times were up to 10min or even more on occasion. It has not been like that for years now. Basically the minimum I see is 100,000 players minimum, and up to 200,000 maximum. A full order of magnitude more players than in the past.
Or just remove CAS from Tank AB completely, imo anyway I think a ton of the CAS users in Ground AB are bots, or at the very least “players” that are selling accounts, or even players using hacks/cheats to hit the button in milliseconds. The ones who get 10-20 kills combined pretty much never talk in chat, Ive tried. Even tried direct messaging them. They do not seem like “real” people to me. (~10 kills total is ‘reasonable’ but there are ones that get the CAS button EVERY time, with in a fraction of a second. I even added the bomber spawn to my mouse side button, and I STILL cant beat them. They are inhumanly fast. Again, imo, botting and/or cheats being used.)
Side note:
I have posted on the other threads for my strong support of a Night Battle (NB) only queue as well (based on Ground RB, I do think the Ground AB queue would be negatively impacted by an AB+NB only queue). The math clearly shows we have enough people online at a time for both Non Ground CAS (at the very least for AB), and Night only RB’s. 100,000 players online concurrently, minimum, 24/7/365 proves it. Optional Night Battles for Ground Realistic Battles
And both the NA and EU Ground RB queues are instant, not even seconds, instant. No matter what time of day, or day of week, 24/7/365. There will not be any noticeable impact on anyone’s queue times, especially not Ground RB players. So, imo anyway, even THREE Ground RB modes (Normal RB, Non CAS RB, and Night Battle RB) would maybe be fine. Would need to see the data on matches per day to really see. But personally, I am a bigger advocate of Ground Night Battle RB over a non CAS RB queue.
Ground AB queue is not nearly as fast as Ground RB, a couple minutes usually MAX in the middle of the night in the NA server queue. So, perhaps two separate Ground AB queues would be detrimental, but that would make the argument stronger for at the least, LESS CAS Spawns.
So in conclusion I strongly support at the very least a drastically reduced CAS spawn rates in Ground AB, if not eliminated completely. (Normal Ground RB probably does not need an adjustment, CAS is already limited by spawn points, so if anything, it would need to be a new separate queue. But that’s a hard sell to much of the community, especially with the Night Battle discussion happening right now). The past arguments against it need to be rethought. I have not seen many/any people make note of how many more players there are now than in the past. And even if there are other arguments, I do not see them as good/strong/or valid arguments to stop the incessant death from above in “TANK” Battles.
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Thanks for your input ,some interesting things there
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Could not have said it better my self…
Thread cleaned up, and atleast 2 users with some time away…
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Not true. If used properly it is highly effective. You being unable to do so does not change that.
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The devs could spend this time to work on more important things. I dont understand why they should rework the all game for about 50 cas-haters who do not want to adapt their play. Instead for example they could rework ARB and make it attrative for strikers/bombers, thus cas-lovers would likely go there more often and give a break to cas-haters.
The way GRB is right now with multi-type battles was the main purpose of war thunder when the devs decided to update from birds of steel. IMO it shouldnt change, it is the choatic and immersive and it is what made wt so popular.
If these 50 players want to play their own way they can start learning CDK. I know they are going to take it as an offense like when experienced players here are trying desperately to give them tips about how to counter CAS. They dont want to make any effort even to accept the rules of the game as it has ever been.
These people are the same who will try to tweak the votes and wreak havoc when their favorite candidate is not elected as president by the majority, and then claim there are frauds blablabla. Same pattern…
I Love when people make assumptions like that. It only shows how close minded someone is
There are 126 voters 50/50, so please tell me how much make 126/2?
First it is 63 instead of 50
Second, You really don’t understand how polls work?
What difference does it make tell me when you oppose it to the 200k players that are enjoying the game as it is, and do you know the concept of roundings?
And again assumption
Read what poll is and how it works
Good luck in life…
Same to You if You read all polls by checking how many people voted for an option and beliving that is all people who think like that
We know how you want the polls to work, you want it to serve your point, and you will deny it if they dont.
Said a guy who belives that people who have voted in a poll are everyone who think certain way
How many of 200k are in this forum?
maybe 5%? At most.
How many would bother or even saw this poll? Maybe half of that 5%
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