germany left the ASRAAM program because it wasnt manouverable enough for them
thats why they went on making the IRIS-T, after their experience with the r-73
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It seems like that’s exactly the reason why Russian aircraft ended up with TVS.
I don’t think those programs are relevant to this discussion.
so the F-22 is also only an airshow plane
understood
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So they were developing a HOBS missile in the ’80s, and then, after learning about the R-73’s capabilities, they started developing a HOBS missile? I’m not quite sure what you’re getting at.
60s, long b4 r73
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r-73 started development in the 70s
~10 years isnt that long military planing wise
I thought the F-22 got TVS because its aerodynamics were somewhat compromised by the stealth design. Well, in any case, TVS wasn’t added to the F-15, F-16, or F/A-18.
That wasn’t ASRAAM yet.
Yeah, I know. Around the same time as the Western projects, or maybe a bit later.
difference was that aim 95 was finished/canceled by 1975 while r73 started development in 73 and wont be done till 83
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*82
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Well, well, turns out the Russians were trying to copy… ahem, I mean repeat the American HOBS IR missile with their R-73.
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Yup, and it was much superior to the r73 in every aspect other than seekerhead, however there was a seekerhead that was being developed that would make it on par with the r73s dual band seekerhead although it was canceled. ‘Tis a bit u fortunate most ir seekerheads are underpeformong, r73, am3 magic 2 and pl8b would wipe the floor of every other missile
USA copied older mig21 and su7 with canards projects
People are once again falling into the “Soviets copied everything” trap i see…
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Ah but you see the soviets just woke up one day and decided that because the US had a program researching supermanuverability they needed one as well.
All the other research the soviets did into manuverability, control systems and FBW means absolutely nothing obviously…
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New camo (from datamine)
As always, love their slider, which makes the jet look like it’s at this phase of its life:
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Does that mean this seeker used the same IRCCM method as the one in the R-73, or is it something different?
It’s pretty obvious this was copied from the experimental versions of the Vigilante, which the Soviets got access to when copying their Foxbat.
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irl the r73 is quite a bit more resistant to cms than in game, but yeah they would essentially be the same
Regarding the effectiveness of the R-73, the following quote from the MiG-29 manual was cited:
And what kind of research did they conduct and when? The US was testing FBW back in 1972 on that cute Phantom with canards:
