yeah, it’s at an angle where they hide pretty well, but you can see the lerx is not the same as the canard less flanker’s lerx
they do all have them
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why would they need canarads for that?
the base su-27 was already considered super manouverable to some extend and was so impressive at the time that people were analyzing its performance at the paris airshow
russia does something similar to what the US did so they must have been copying the US
please remind me why the US started to develop and pushed HOBS IR missiles into service
please tell me why the US started to develop the AIM-174 and AIM-260
please tell me why the US started to put more funding into the F-15 programm and why it looks very similar to this guy:
i guess the soviets had a time machine to travel into the future to make worse copies of american tech
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The canards for the Su-27M first emerged in 1982 and were to be mounted on the neck, above the LERX, completely different from any american project
They were then moved back on the LERX in 1985, turning into the configuration seen on the Su-33, Su-27M, J-15 and so on
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nah they put canards on their plane, which the US was also experimenting with
so they clearly copied the US
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yeah, right, cuz they can’t experiment on their own, TsAGI is just a smokescreen for intel work :)
gotta love it
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exactly the soviets would rather invent a time machine than doing their own aerodynamic research
This is technically a flanker family design (Su-27R) :)
Yes, these are LERX fed top intakes
What so an upside down Su27 binded to a F16XL style wing?
kinda, i have no idea why it’s called Su-27R but it’s neat, i guess
The weirder part is that this “Reconnaissance” craft is based of ““Su-34” project”
I mean the F-16XL had a crap load of hardpoints, probably same with this, so reasonable.
yeah, i have no idea why that it is, it’s just cursed
Yes, but… a recon aircraft? Based of a striker(Su-34)?!
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Could be one of the su34 proposed prototypes rather than what was latter chosen and known as Su34.
Whoa, whoa, easy there, buddy. I know copying is kind of a sore spot when it comes to the Soviets, but I didn’t mean literal copying - I meant repeating. Sorry, I phrased it poorly. And in this case, I was wrong.
I just remembered that supermaneuverability research programs were underway in the U.S. in the '80s, and the Soviets followed up with similar efforts not long after.
Is this an attempt to start a MiG-25 vs. Vigilante holywar?
no it is not it was a try to show your double standarts
But I don’t have double standards.
Soviets build plane with canards → copy
US invests in HOBS missile → nothing
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the flanker canards were not for supermaneuverability, the 1982 flanker neck nards were, the ones that left paper were to lower stall speeds (Su-33), keep the center of pressure at the correct spot around the center of mass (Su-30 and 34 especially) and vortex control on Su-27M
you can see this in the way they deflect in flight
I might be misunderstanding the term HOBS, but programs for developing high-maneuverability missiles were launched in the US and UK back in the 1970s.
It wasn’t just about canards, but also thrust vectoring and forward-swept wings. IIRC, all of this research was part of broader studies into supermaneuverability.