the flanker canards were not for supermaneuverability, the 1982 flanker neck nards were, the ones that left paper were to lower stall speeds (Su-33), keep the center of pressure at the correct spot around the center of mass (Su-30 and 34 especially) and vortex control on Su-27M
you can see this in the way they deflect in flight
I might be misunderstanding the term HOBS, but programs for developing high-maneuverability missiles were launched in the US and UK back in the 1970s.
It wasn’t just about canards, but also thrust vectoring and forward-swept wings. IIRC, all of this research was part of broader studies into supermaneuverability.
and they were shelfed until they got scared from the r-73 + hms combo
and then they went on to develop HOBS missiles and HMD
did they put them into service?
did they deem the useful?
just pointing out they developed these a decade b4 the russians, they just didn’t deem them useful till after
TVC is cool for airshows but nowadays it is used mostly to make small corrections in supercruise and that’s kinda it
as for forward swept wings, the soviets had studies dating back to the late 1940’s but were deemed unfit for use because of the lack of proper materials that weren’t available untill the I-90 program came along and sukhoi drafted the S-22 project of which the Su-47 was the demonstrator
Strangely, sources say the ASRAAM program actually stalled due to the easing of tensions and later, the collapse of the USSR.
germany left the ASRAAM program because it wasnt manouverable enough for them
thats why they went on making the IRIS-T, after their experience with the r-73
It seems like that’s exactly the reason why Russian aircraft ended up with TVS.
I don’t think those programs are relevant to this discussion.
so the F-22 is also only an airshow plane
understood
So they were developing a HOBS missile in the ’80s, and then, after learning about the R-73’s capabilities, they started developing a HOBS missile? I’m not quite sure what you’re getting at.
60s, long b4 r73
r-73 started development in the 70s
~10 years isnt that long military planing wise
I thought the F-22 got TVS because its aerodynamics were somewhat compromised by the stealth design. Well, in any case, TVS wasn’t added to the F-15, F-16, or F/A-18.
That wasn’t ASRAAM yet.
Yeah, I know. Around the same time as the Western projects, or maybe a bit later.
difference was that aim 95 was finished/canceled by 1975 while r73 started development in 73 and wont be done till 83
*82
Well, well, turns out the Russians were trying to copy… ahem, I mean repeat the American HOBS IR missile with their R-73.
Yup, and it was much superior to the r73 in every aspect other than seekerhead, however there was a seekerhead that was being developed that would make it on par with the r73s dual band seekerhead although it was canceled. ‘Tis a bit u fortunate most ir seekerheads are underpeformong, r73, am3 magic 2 and pl8b would wipe the floor of every other missile
