Let’s suppose they decide to give r27ea/em to su 33, do you really think that the solution will be to give AHR, throw a good 13.0 to 13.7 or even 14.0?
Because currently it is a su27 with a little less flight performance, but better rwr and 2 more missiles, and he fulfills his role, and he fulfills it well.
However, Soviet radars are not the most reliable and the plane suffers from a lack of countermeasures.
Do you really think that giving ARH and increasing the br, making it face the topdogs much more frequently will be the solution to making the plane “better”?
In my humble opinion it would make the plane gameplay completely miserable.
the problem is the compression in 13.0, br 13.0 is weird lately, where the transition between fox1 and fox3 occurs.
The 13.0 with Fox 3 are also a bit problematic, but what really destroys this BR are the uptier.
You are asking for changes that don’t make much sense, and will make the plane gameplay miserable, the problem is not the plane, it’s the match making, the real problem is the 13.0 situation… The plane is fine
I could be wrong but from what I’ve read, the EA was the main competitor to the r-77 and it was beat so funding was dropped but so far I’ve found that the EM was produced in small quantities and used vary rarely. The EM, to my knowledge, was produced while the r-77-1 was in service due to having a bunch of r-27’s in stock and it ending up being cheaper. if I find the links again I’ll send em to ya but like I said I could definitely be wrong
My guy… yes they are covers… just look at the first image mate. Everything in the image has the same colored protective covers. The R-27EA is NOT in service, you’ve been mislead.
As far as I know that’s an easy answer. However I could be wrong I’m no great air player. If you give the su33 ARH, it either should have a performance nerf to better reflect other ARH carriers at that BR, or it goes up in br to have ARH.
I see no reason why it should stay the same as an inferior plane with better missiles. If your idea is to give it better missiles than its peers, with better flight performance and more of those missiles. It deserves to go up in BR with your idea IMO.
I’m curious how you can tell, because your diagram shows models that are barely discernible between the 2 and I’m curious how you can be sure with diagrams that show barely any difference.
It’s not so much the aim120 itself being better as the fact you cant launch them going mach 1.5-2 quite easily which significantly increases lethality.
By using photo software and I have other proof too, in a Russian Airospace book there is a blueprint of all the parts of the su-33 and they have all of the missiles it can use too and it shows the The R-27ER, R-27ET, and the R-27EA, and before you say they could be wrong I mean cites the Russian government helped in making the book. I won’t be mad if they never give it Fox-3’s because I’m only about 5 to 7 planes from everything at rank VIII. But I would want more weapons of all kinds for aircraft in the game no matter if they seem useless or useful
Ok then explain why then they would paint entire missiles red?
I mean heck, man could it be because when these missiles we’re made The USSR was still a thing or that they like the color because it symbolizes their history, well who knows but I know for sure that you would put a Protective cover on an entire missile if your planning on firing it or going into combat. So please you have been misled or are dumb
SU33 cant shoot arh missles.
ingame su33 can shoot r27em and r27er ultra low altitude variant but they cant make that and not implement historical weapons to su33
Posts like this baffle me. Do you want to kill the jet??? By giving it R-77s, You’re putting a subpar flanker at 13.3 at the minimum. A flanker at 13.3 with 48CM pops. Just no. Be lucky you can beat down on Navy Phantoms for the time being.
Fun fact, that MiG-23 in the image couldn’t use any of the weaponry there other than the ones that were usable on the MiG-23MLD. A lot of people think this is the “MiG-23-98”, but it never even existed. They just mounted the armaments, but they weren’t usable. It was a proof of concept demonstration where they just dressed a MiG-23MLD up to be all pretty for potential export modernization contracts.
As for the coloring, that’s just standard of mock up munitions, practice munitions, or prototype missiles. The cover it to protect the seeker from the elements. It’s not painted on, it’s a covering fitted over it. The covers are ofc removed before the aircraft is deployed in flight, they’re not meant to be on the missile when the aircraft is airborne.
The coloring was not for the fact these weapons were fielded by the USSR… my guy, what…
that it is a tectree plane is not a squad one, currently the su33 that we have in the game fulfilled its role well and does not need such a change.
If in the future they want to add a plane below the yak 141, another being a su 33 13.7 with r27ea/em ok, but doing a complete rework on an existing plane that has just arrived in the game and that fulfills its role as a 13.0, there is no Why make this change? is nonsense
I didn’t say that’s why? I just gave you a reason they could be red and yes I know what mig that is, it was a quick photo I put there because I’m busy. And some missiles have covers, and some are just painted red, dude why do you even argue, R-27EA’s are in service and they were put on The su-33 as well as other planes.
Brother what? No why add another su-33 that’s pointless and the JF-17 gets fox three’s while being a squadron plane so why can’t this one, or why can’t the MiG-23 get R-27’s? Ohhhh “For Balance Reasons” of course that makes sense except nothing is ever balanced in War Thunder
Yeah, no. The MiG-29 and Su-27 weren’t able to carry them, as neither used them in testing nor had the N011[M] / N001V needed for ARH missiles.
Once again, the only aircraft to ever carry the R-27EA was the Su-35. The Su-37 would have been more than capable of doing such, though it was designed too late. Still had the same exact radar and weapon suite, as it’s nothing but a modified Su-35.
